NRA, Democrats Team Up To Pass Gun Bill

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Date: Jun 14, 2007 12:35 PM


NRA, Democrats Team Up To Pass Gun Bill
After Virginia Tech Shootings, House Passes Bill To Strengthen National Background Check System

CBS
Thursday June 14, 2007

..end--> ..start--> After 52 years in Congress, John Dingell knows it sometimes takes a "rather curious alliance," such as between the National Rifle Association and the House's most fervent gun control advocate, to move legislation.

That's what took place Wednesday when the House, by voice vote, passed a gun control bill that Rep. Dingell, D-Mich., helped broker between the NRA and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y.

With the NRA on board, the bill, which fixes flaws in the national gun background check system that allowed the Virginia Tech shooter to buy guns despite his mental health problems, has a good chance of becoming the first major gun control law in more than a decade.

"We’ll work with anyone, if you protect the rights of law-abiding people under the second amendment and you target people that shouldn't have guns," NRA chief Wayne LaPierre told CBS News Correspondent Sheryl Atkisson

"As the Virginia Tech shooting reminded us, there is an urgent national need to improve the background check system" to keep guns out of the hands of those barred from buying them, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said.

The measure would require states to automate their lists of convicted criminals and the mentally ill who are prohibited under a 1968 law from buying firearms, and report those lists to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS.

Seung-Hui Cho, who in April killed 32 students and faculty at Virginia Tech before taking his own life, had been ordered to undergo outpatient mental health treatment and should have been barred from buying the two guns he used in the rampage. But the state of Virginia never forwarded this information to the national background check system.

The House action came as a panel ordered by President Bush to investigate the Virginia Tech shootings issued its findings, including a recommendation that legal and financial barriers to NICS submissions be addressed.

Mr. Bush, in a statement, said the report made clear that better information sharing between federal and state authorities "is essential in helping to keep guns out of the wrong hands and to punish those who break the law." He said he was "closely following legislative efforts to strengthen the instant background check system."

The panel also urged federal agencies to expand programs to prevent school violence and said the Health and Human Services Department should focus on college students in its mental health public education campaign.

Virginia Tech President Charles Steger said the report disclosed "the deep complexities of the issues facing college campuses today" and would advance government scrutiny of issues related to safety vs. personal freedoms.

The House bill next moves to the Senate, where gun control advocate Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., says he is talking to NRA ally Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, and there is a "very strong" chance of passage.

"When the NRA and I agree on legislation, you know that it's going to get through, become law and do some good," says Schumer.

The legislation requires state and federal agencies to transmit all relevant disqualifying records to the NICS database. It also provides $250 million a year over the next three years to help states meet those goals and it imposes penalties — including cuts in federal grants under an anti-crime law — on states that fail to meet benchmarks for automating their systems and supplying information to the NICS.

Virginia's Democratic Gov. Tim Kaine said Wednesday that in ordering state executive branch agencies to upgrade background check reporting last month he found that Virginia was one of only 22 states reporting any mental health information to the NICS. He said the House bill was “significant action to honor the memories of the victims who lost their lives at Virginia Tech.”

"Millions of criminal records are not accessible by NICS," said McCarthy, sponsor of the bill.

"I came to Congress in 1997, in the wake of my own personal tragedy, to help prevent gun violence," said McCarthy, who ran for office after her husband was gunned down on a Long Island commuter train in 1993. "Ten years later, I am more committed than ever to this cause."

McCarthy has been among the leaders in the largely futile efforts to legislate gun controls during the past dozen years of GOP control. The last major gun control bill, to ban some assault weapons, passed in 1994, the last year of a Democratic majority. In 1996, domestic violence offenders were added to the list of those barred from buying guns. However, a 1999 effort to close the gun show loophole on background checks after the Columbine school shootings was unsuccessful.

The NRA worked closely with Dingell, a gun rights proponent and senior House member, in crafting the new bill. The NRA insisted it was not gun control legislation because it does nothing to restrict legal rights to buy guns.

The NRA has supported the NICS since its inception in 1993, said Wayne LaPierre, the organization's executive vice president. “We've always been vigilant about protecting the rights of law-abiding citizens to purchase guns, and equally vigilant about keeping the guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally defective and people who shouldn't have them.”

The NRA did win concessions.

The bill would automatically restore the purchasing rights of veterans who were diagnosed with mental problems as part of the process of obtaining disability benefits. LaPierre said the Clinton administration put about 80,000 such veterans into the background check system.

It also outlines an appeals process for those who feel they have been wrongfully included in the system and ensures that funds allocated to improve the NICS are not used for other gun control purposes.

That wasn't enough for the Gun Owners of America, which said on its Web page that it was the only national pro-gun organization to oppose the McCarthy bill. "There are some seemingly pro-gun congressmen who are driven to get anything passed, just so they can say they did something about Virginia Tech," it said.

On the other side, Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said his group supported the legislation, noting that the Virginia Tech shootings "tragically demonstrated the gaps in the system that allowed a dangerous person to be armed."

He said he hoped Congress and the gun lobby would go a step further and extend background checks to all gun sales, not just those by licensed dealers covered by current law.

Where "exotic" weapons used on Cho Seung-Hui, we may never know

RE: "Exotic weapons" fully recognized by gov.

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Date: Apr 24, 2007 2:33 PM


From: Maclean



From: Big AL



http://www.raven1.net/govptron.htm

http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter/?letter_id=1152895331

http://www.rense.com/general19/kucinich.htm

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Rep Kucinich Rewrites HR 2977 - 'Chemtrails' Disappear

By Lorie Kramer
seektress@ev1.net
January 27, 2002

The "Space Preservation Act of 2001" originally introduced in the House
by Rep. Dennis Kucinich as HR 2977 has been re-written.

The new, revised bill, HR 3616, "Space Preservation Act of 2002" was
introduced January 23, 2002.

Re-writing bills is a common enough practice as a bill goes through the
legislative process. However, the differences between HR 2977 and HR
3616 are more than just a few tweaks here or there.

By its conspicuous appearance in 2977, the term 'chemtrails' received a
form of credibiity within the official government process never seen
before...producing the hope that one courageous Representative had
finally had the fortitude to take the issue of chemtrails to a level of
Congressional scrutiny long overdue.

Even though chemtrails are sprayed/deployed in the 2-6 mile high range,
and not the 60 mile altitude stated in 2977, the simple fact of their
inclusion in Kucinich's 2977 list of weapons systems was deemed a
major breakthrough by tens of thousands of citizens and researchers
across the country who have been monitoring and investigating the
spraying going on in the skies of America for the past three years.

In Rep. Kucinich's revised new (some woud say 'emasculated') Bill, HR
3616, there is no longer any mention whatever of:

* chemtrails,
* particle beams
* electromagnetic radiation
* plasmas
* extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy
radiation
* or mind-control technologies

as weapons systems covered in the measure.

In fact, 'Exotic Weapons' - as boldly-stated in HR 2977 - are not even
mentioned in HR 3616. So, what happened here? Did someone have a
'friendly chat' with Rep. Kucinich? Did the Congressman inhale a bit too
much aluminum during his morning jog? Did he look up one day and find
himself standing under a big 'X' and feel his knees get a little wobbly?

As stated in Kucinich's first version of his "Space Preservation Act of
2001" -

"The term 'exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to
damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper
atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose
of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on
earth or in space."

Apparently Rep. Kucinich is no longer concerned about the effects of the
testing and use of exotic weapons systems on natural ecosystems and
living organisms on the planet.

Although chemtrails are no longer stated as a weapons system, or even
mentioned in HR3616, the question of the components of the RFMP /
VTRPE warfare system is raised.

HR 3616 states -

"To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all
humankind by prohibiting the basing of weapons in space and the use of
weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit, and for
other purposes."

The intent of this passage remains fuzzy. Example: Are Imaging satellites
used with the RFMP / VTRPE system broadly defined as part of a
weapons system ?

HR 3616 further states -

"The terms 'space-based weapon' and 'space-based system' mean a
device capable of damaging or destroying an object or person by
directing a source of energy against that object or person."

The word "directing" is clearly the key. Strictly speaking, the RFMP
system does, by imaging, provide information to direct a source of
energy against that particular object or person

HR3616 also says -

"4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications,
navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote
sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems."

They could say the RFMP is not a weapon - it does not "fire a bullet,"
but it is part of a weapons system. There are clearly serious issues of
definition in Kucinich's new Bill. It is conceivable that the RFMP /
VTRPE weapons system may fall in the area covered by HR3616.

It remains a mystery as to how the word 'chemtrails' appeared in HR
2977 to begin with. Investigation into that point is ongoing. Who actually
is authoring the text of these bills? Why such an emphasis on "exotic
weapons" in HR 2977 but then nothing mentioned about them in HR
3616?

My call to Rep. Kucinich's Washington office last week was brief. I was
told there had been "quite a few" calls regarding HR 2977. I was then
told my questions should be directed to the person on the congressman's
staff who handled that bill. I was then transfered to that person and
received...big surprise...their voice mail service. I left a message with my
contact information. No reply has been received to date. I will place a
follow-up call again this week. We suggest others do the same.

Even though the term 'chemtrails' has been removed from the revised
bill, efforts to continue to educate and alert others about the chemtrail
issue go on. Many thanks to those who have taken the time to contact
their Congressional Representatives, keep it up.

We still know what we see. We still didn't consent. We still want it
stopped.

Lorie Kramer Chem Trail Tracking USA

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These are massive 6 - 800 foot tall core columns, and they Vaporized in mid air... they didnt fall straight down into themselves... that would be impossible!! They obviously were strong enough to survive the 1350 foot building which had just been pulverized down onto them, ...if they were melted by thermate, would they have still stood?... you can see they are standing straight up, there is nothing bearing down on them ...

...if they had been undermined by the building collapse, it seems they would have fallen over... not straight down, ...not turn into dust on the way down.





How blind do people have to be to not see what is logical, and what is not possible? How can they be so completely under the spell of the media, even if its alternative media, people refuse to talk about the bizarre anomolies of 911, they refuse to even see what theyre looking at.. they follow a truth leader, and whatever is acceptable to the masses, is what they think they see.

Open your eyes!

Bizarre and Logical, have no bearing on each other ordinarily...
but in this crime... 'bizarre' IS the ONLY logic!

again..."Exotic weapons" have been fully recognized by gov.

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RE: WHY did FBI, NSA, or CIA delete Cho Seung-Hui's Myspace ?

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From: RFK Jr. 2008
Date: Apr 22, 2007 10:00 AM


How can you tell that they deleted it ???
Easy.
Go to Search.
Under "Find Someone You Know"
Enter Cho's hotmail address in the search function and check email. What happens ???
(The press revealed that one of Cho's email addresses was
BLAZERS5505@HOTMAIL.COM so do a search of Blazers5505 if you doubt the veracity of my claim.)http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3064807
What happens ???
Well usually if you have a "hit" the profile will come up with your default photo. (try it with your own email address)
What happens when you enter Cho Seung-Hui's email address ?
You get a "hit".
"Find a Friend
Results for BLAZERS5505@HOTMAIL.COM 1 of 1"

AND NO PHOTO OR LINK TO THE PROFILE associated with that email address. ALSO, if you check out his first victim's myspace profile, the profile for Emily Hilscher (http://www.myspace.com/captivepixie)
you'll notice that she supposedly has 9 Myspace friends AND yet if you click to view all of her Myspace friends, only 8 are visible. ALSO, somebody logged into her profile AFTER she died. ALSO, check out her profile.
Then think about the image the media has been forcing down your throat about her. Could it be that the 9th friend who is missing is Cho's profile ? ALL is not as it seems people.
ALL is not as it seems.

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CIA brainwashed mindslave?!?

The Question I have is why would an al Qaeda gunman want the government to have more power unless he worked for them?


RE: RE: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities'

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From: ♥ Angel ♥ ™
Date: Apr 18, 2007 11:26 AM


Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities'

Thanks: Arkansas Outlaw ~Amy~

Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities'

"The average 'nut' is not this well armed, nor able to kill with such precision, and so quickly." --Comment by CLG reader, Blueridge

Breaking: Chicago Tribune: Alleged gunman left note in dorm room [My theory on its announced contents: "I did this for Al Qaeda in Iraq. I've come to the US becuase the Democrat congress wants a timeline for troop withdrawal. P.S.: Rosie O'Donnell is wrong. Osama bin Laden did carry out the 9/11 terrorist attacks. If NSA wiretaps were allowed, I wouldn't have been able to do this."]

More from Blueridge, who lives in WV:
I have been watching Roanoke local TV with excellent coverage. Brian Williams of NBC interviewed two students, one who was shot. The following facts about the shooter emerged as they met face to face:
1. did not recognize from campus
2. reloaded clips (semi auto pistol(s)) very fast
3. "looked trained" in use of weapons, pro
4. wearing red cap, vest (impression of trained "beret")
5. authorities said he had "no ID" on him
6. gunman wearing all black (pro wear)
7. camera phone recorded "blast" after fired shots.

The school police stood down for two hours, without notifying students or faculty. During the press conference, they said they often run "drills." School president and campus police chief were absolutely emotionless during both conferences, very matter of fact. Police not providing ID, not providing weapon details... Why?

AFT source tells NBC News that the gunman was not a Virginia Tech student, but someone who had access to the dorm.

Authorities Tentatively ID Va. Tech Gunman 16 Apr 2007 Authorities say they've tentatively identified the gunman behind Monday's shooting rampage at Virginia Tech that killed 32 victims, but they're not releasing any information yet. Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum told reporters that two weapons were recovered, but he declined to describe them.

Gunman may have made 3 bomb threats to test 'security response' 16 Apr 2007 Authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history was a Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa. The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 on a visa issued in Shanghai, the source said. Police believe three bomb threats on the campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus' security response, the source said. The exits to the buildings where the shootings occurred were chained by the shooter, the source said.

A 'person-of-interest' was being interviewed while the second shooting occurred. He was not a student. --Press conference, Blacksburg, VA

CNN: 'The Virginia Tech killer chained doors shut at his second shooting site before going into a German class and opening fire.'

VA Tech wasn't locked down for two hours, after the first shooting was reported at 7:15 AM. The shooter apparently made it over to the *other side of campus* and *carried out more shootings,* unmolested, two hours later!

It has not been confirmed whether or not the shooter is a student. [How did the shooter access the buildings, when a scanned ID is required for access?]
First report: The suspect was led away in handcuffs.
Second report: The suspect was killed.
Third report: The suspect killed himself.
Fourth report: There were two suspects.
Individual had same style of guns (*two* handguns) used by FBI agents, a 'high-powered' weapon and the shootings were 'well-planned.'
MSNBC's FBI profiler: 'students lined up and shot execution style'
19 hours after the first shooting, the shooter(s) has/have not been identified. [00:15 EDT 17 Apr 2007 Note: The shooter has finally been identified.
At press conf., VT Tech.: We thought the shooter (7:15 AM) had left the state. ?

Regardless, it appears that the Gonzales testmony will receive little coverage tomorrow. Oops, strike that: Senate postpones to Thursday the gonzales hearing, in light of VA Tech shootings. Can we expect new Blackwater USA contract$ to 'secure' college campuses? --LRP

Articles of Impeachment to Be Filed On Cheney By Mary Ann Akers 17 Apr 2007 Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio)... declared in a letter sent to his Democratic House colleagues this morning that he plans to file articles of impeachment against Vice President [sic] Dick Cheney... Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution gives Congress the authority to impeach the president, vice president and "all civil Officers of the United States" for "treason, bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." Sources tell the Sleuth that in light of the mass killings at Virginia Tech Monday, Kucinich's impeachment plans have been put on hold. There will be no action this week, they say.

Gunman ID'd as student; tests tie same gun to both attacks 17 Apr 2007 A Virginia Tech senior [Cho Seung-Hui] from South Korea killed at least 30 people locked inside a classroom building in the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history, the university and police said Tuesday. Ballistics tests also found that one of the guns used in that attack was also used in a shooting two hours earlier at a dorm that left two people dead, Virginia State Police said. Cho committed suicide after the attacks, and there was no indication Tuesday of any possible motive.

Anger mounts over response to massacre 17 Apr 2007 (Blacksburg, VA) Parents and students at the scene of the worst school shooting in US history on Monday criticised the university for waiting too long to alert people a killer may be on the loose.

Police Cite Person of Interest in Va. Tech Dorm Killing; Dead Gunman Yet to Be ID'd 16 Apr 2007 In a press conference tonight, Virginia Tech President Charles Steger gave a detailed timeline of the morning's tragic events. He said a 9-1-1 call reporting a shooting at a dormitory was made at approximately 7:15 a.m. While police were trying to assess what they first believed was a domestic dispute, they received a second 9-1-1 call, nearly two and a half hours later, that reported shootings on the opposite side of campus. According to the Virginia Police Chief Wendell Flinchum, officials have not definitively linked the two shootings. Campus police have identified a person of interest who is not currently in police custody.

Gunman may have made 3 bomb threats to test 'security response' 16 Apr 2007 Authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history was a Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa. The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 on a visa issued in Shanghai, the source said. Police believe three bomb threats on the campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus' security response, the source said. The exits to the buildings where the shootings occurred were chained by the shooter, the source said.

Eyewitness: '40 or 50 shots' --Massacre at Virginia Tech: 33 Confirmed Dead --Gunman's Body Disfigured; Hard to Identify 16 Apr 2007 A tranquil college campus in Virginia became a killing field Monday morning. At least 33 people are dead in the worst mass shooting in modern American history. Police at Virginia Tech, in Blacksburg, Va., said that the shootings happened at a dormitory and then at a classroom on opposite sides of the university campus. Some students are questioning why administrators did not stop classes after the first shooting, and why it took more than two hours to inform the university community via email about the shootings.


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