RE: Condoleezza Rice Promotes Tesla

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From: NIKOLA TESLA
Date: Jun 6, 2007 6:18 PM




Tesla Roadster, car which the most powerful woman in the world is promoting, “borrowed” the name of great Serbian inventor.


Tesla Roadster electromobile can reach 100 km/h in about four seconds, while Tesla, is promoted by Condoleezza Rice, US Minister of Foreign Affairs.

When someone says electromobile, the first thought that comes to mind is a banana-shaped shoe-box on three wheels, like the 1970`s Sinclair.

But, would anyone imagine a sports two-seater whose lines not even the little horse on hind legs would be ashamed of, a machine that speeds up in four seconds to 100 km/h and can go 210 km/h? And with a price of measly 92,000 dollars?

Everything of the above is the Tesla roadster, debut of Tesla Motors company, which can drive its eco-aware owner 322 kilometres with one battery charge. Without the owner being a “loser with a junk car on electricity”. Roadster`s energy efficiency is equal to a car fuelled with petrol which would spend 1.74 litres of petrol in 100 kilometres, the manufacturers claim.

Tesla Motor company was established by PayPal co-founder Elon Musk, now the company president and perhaps the greatest individual shareholder with invested 37 million dollars. Musk headed collecting capital for the company, enticing Google co-founders Sergei Brin and Larry Page as investors, as well as former eBay president Jeff Skoll.

With such a team of investors it is clear to see that top of the crop of California gathered at Roadster`s first presentation, headed by eco-aware governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. During a special presentation, several months later, USA Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was given a chance to take a ride in the Roadster and she then enabled the same pleasure to her Australian colleague Alexander Downer. Apart from promoting the electromobile, Rice was promoting Tesla as well.

RE: WE ARE CHANGE REPORTER ARREST FULL STORY

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From: OWN-the-NWO (Hostilis-Pugnator)
Date: Jun 6, 2007 6:25 PM


UPDATE: Criminal Indictments Sought Against Police, Giuliani Staffers Who Had Reporter Arrested For Asking Question

Reporter
Arrested on Orders of Giuliani Press Secretary


Charged with Criminal Trespass Despite Protest
of CNN Staff and Official Event Press Credentials at GOP Debate in New
Hampshire

Aaron Dykes & Alex Jones

Jones Report

Wednesday June 6, 2007 

Manchester, NH - Freelance reporter Matt Lepacek, reporting for Infowars.com,
was arrested for asking a question to one of Giuliani's staff members
in a press conference. The press secretary identified the New York based
reporter as having previously asked Giuliani about his prior knowledge
of WTC building collapses and ordered New Hampshire state police to arrest
him.

Jason Bermas, reporting for Infowars and America: Freedom to Fascism,
confirmed Lepacek had official CNN press credentials for the Republican
debate. However, his camera was seized by staff members who shut off the
camera, according to Luke Rudkowski, also a freelance Infowars reporter
on the scene. He said police physically assaulted both reporters after
Rudkowski objected that they were official members of the press and that
nothing illegal had taken place. Police reportedly damaged the Infowars-owned
camera in the process.

 

Reporters were questioning Giuliani staff members on a variety of issues,
including his apparent ignorance of the 9/11 Commission Report, according
to Bermas. The staff members accused the reporters of Ron Paul partisanship,
which press denied. It was at this point that Lepacek, who was streaming
a live report, asked a staff member about Giuliani's statement to Peter
Jennings that he was told beforehand that the WTC buildings would collapse.

Giuliani's press secretary then called over New Hampshire state police,
fingering Lepacek.

Though CNN staff members tried to persuade police not to
arrest the accredited reporter-- in violation of the First Amendment,
Lepacek was taken to jail. The police station told JonesReport.com
that Lepacek is being charged with felony criminal trespass.

Lepacek did receive one phone call in jail which he used
to contact reporter Luke Rudkowski. According to Rudkowski, Lepacek was
scared because he had been told he may be transferred to a secret detention
facility because state police were also considering charges of espionage
against him-- due to a webcam Lepacek was using to broadcast live at the
event. State police considered it to be a hidden camera, which led to
discussion of "espionage."

Wearing a webcam at a press event is not an act of espionage.
Alex Jones, who was watching the live feed, witnessed Lepacek announce
that he was wearing a camera connected to a laptop that was transmitting
the press conference live at approximately 9:20 EST. When Lepacek announced
that he was broadcasting live, Giuliani staff members responded by getting
upset at his questions and ordering his arrest.

Freedom to Fascism reporter Samuel Ettaro was also dragged
out after asking a question on Giuliani's
ties with Cintra and Macquerie, two foreign contractors involved with
the contentious Trans-Texas Corridor under development in
Texas.

The entire incident took place in a large press auditorium,
apart from the debate stages where authorized media were able to question
candidates and their handlers.

Since when do campaign operatives have the power to order
state police to arrest someone on false charges or arbitrate who has the
right to conduct journalism, a right guarded by the Constitution?

A warning to the press-- if candidates or police don't like
your questions, you could be arrested for trespassing and even espionage
in the new Orwellian America.

The state police in Goffstown, New Hampshire, where the
arrest was made, confirmed that Lepacek is in custody on charges of criminal
trespass. Police said information on who filed the trespass complaint
was not yet available and would be filed in the police report.

It is clear from talking to multiple eyewitness, as well
as the live webcam, that there could not have been a complainant who originated
police action, because it happened spontaneously. The police need to be
very careful about violating the Bill of Rights and falsely charging someone
with a felony crime. This constitutes extreme official oppression and
is a total violation of the reporter's civil rights. It would have been
bad enough if the reporter would have just been thrown out, but to arrest
him when he had a valid press pass and CNN protested his arrest is an
outrage.

The arrest-- which clearly violated the First Amendment--
was recorded from two separate camera angles, including a live feed recorded
remotely-- so the episode is on record in the event that police destroy
or lose tapes seized from Lepacek in attempt to obfuscate the facts of
the incident.

If you doubt that police would assault reporters, seize
video equipment and act on political orders, then consider the experience
Alex Jones had when Texas state troopers arrested him for asking George
W. Bush a question during a press conference while he was governor. See
video below.

Reporters Matt Lepacek and Luke Rudkowski, both members
of WeAreChange.org,
as well as freelance reporters for Infowars.com, have also been previously
accused-- falsely-- of being terrorists
with bombs  and have undergone multiple episodes of
harassment during peaceful
demonstrations and attempts
at exercising the right of free press.

UPDATE: Comments on both the PrisonPlanet.tv
message board and Digg!
report that indeed live audio continued to feed from inside the police
vehicle after video was shut off by police. The live feed captured the
incident and arrest, but previous reports could not confirm that the live
report continued after police confiscated the camera.

From DIGG!:
lemut: I was listening to their live stream when the arrest happened.
The camera feed was lost but audio was still going for several minutes
on the way to the police station. This is NOT America.

From PrisonPlanet.tv:
Brian Roberts: One of the Wearechange.org guys just got arrested!!!!!!!!!
Oh my god! You can hear you audio from the police car!!!

Luke Rudkowski and Jason Bermas contributed to this
report.

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NEW HAMPSHIRE STATE POLICE TELEPHONE NUMBERS


Director..s Office: (603) 271-2450

Field Operations Bureau: (603) 271-3793

For other inquiries: (603) 271-2575

*** EVERYONE CALL THE DIRECTOR'S OFFICE TO FIND OUT WHAT CHARGES MATT
LEPACEK IS BEING HELD ON.

RE: Ron Paul on Tucker Carlson - CNN 06/06/07

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Date: Jun 6, 2007 6:26 PM


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Date: Jun 6, 2007 3:14 PM

RE: Michael Moore on Oprah

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From: Tony
Date: Jun 6, 2007 3:19 AM


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From: MICHAEL MOORE
Date: Jun 6, 2007 12:06 AM



PART 1:


PART 2:

RE: Prescription Drugs Found in Fla. Sharks

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From: Pharmaceuticals KILL People & Animals!
Date: Jun 6, 2007 1:41 AM


Prescription Drugs Found in Fla. Sharks

The Ledger | June 4, 2007

SARASOTA - Sharks in one Florida river are getting a dose of human medicine, and now scientists want to know if it's a prescription for trouble.

Scientists recently found traces of prescription antidepressants, cholesterol-lowering drugs and synthetic estrogens in the blood of young bull sharks in the Caloosahatchee River on Florida's southwest Gulf Coast.

This summer, they'll study the issue more widely. On Friday, scientists with Mote Marine Laboratory fished for bull sharks as part of research to find out what drugs the sharks encounter most and whether the doses are large enough to alter how they behave and reproduce.

The sharks come into contact with treated waste water which includes traces of the medications previously identified as the cholesterol-reducer Lipitor, various antidepressants such as Prozac and Zoloft, synthetic estrogens used in birth-control pills, and anti-inflammatory drugs such as Celexa.

The Caloosahatchee receives treated wastewater from several sewer plants and passes by numerous septic-system dependent communities.

And while the water is treated, and treatment systems are good at removing bacteria, they are not designed to remove drugs, which may have been flushed down the toilet or excreted by humans taking the medications.

To get a sense of the effect of drugs on sharks over time, scientists are tagging them with chemical-absorbing discs.

The discs will absorb chemicals from the environment and be compared with chemical quantities in the sharks' blood. That will help scientists estimate how well the sharks absorb the chemicals they encounter.

"We don't really have a good sense of how much is in the environment and we have certainly very little information on what the impacts are," said Jim Gelsleichter, of the Mote Marine Laboratory, who is leading the study.

Bull sharks are a good species to study because young sharks spend a year swimming in brackish waters and therefore come into greater contact with human contaminants, including treated waste water.

RE: Ron Paul Covered on Houston Media (KHOU)

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From: Tony
Date: Jun 6, 2007 1:44 AM


thanks ~
Ron Paul Revolution
Troy




Ron Paul Covered on Houston Media (KHOU)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuXCxCVD6iI

RE: Ron Paul NH Debate Video

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From: Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX)
Date: Jun 5, 2007 11:41 PM


Ron Paul NH Debate


Vote @

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/debates/scorecard/gop.debate/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18963731

RE: Military positioned to launch – here.

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From: THE PATRIOT
Date: Jun 6, 2007 12:38 AM


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From: Senseo05
Date: Jun 5, 2007 8:48 PM



The United States military is being positioned to be put into action under presidential authority in any one of a dozen scenarios within the United States – including natural disasters, epidemics, terrorist attacks, insurrections, or domestic violence including conspiracies, according to a report from WND columnist Jerome R. Corsi.

He has concluded that under the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, the military of the United States and Canada are turning NORTHCOMM into a domestic military command structure, with authority extending to Mexico, even though Mexico has not formally joined with the current United States-Canadian NORTHCOM command structure.
President Bush

"President Bush appears to have positioned the U.S. military and the National Guard acting under presidential authority to intervene in a wide range of domestic incidents that could occur anywhere in North America," he wrote.

He cited a number of developments, including the 2002 order establishing NORTHCOM as response for "homeland defense" of the U.S., Canada, Mexico and parts of the Caribbean and some Atlantic and Pacific waters.

That organization already controls the North American Aerospace Defense Command, a joint U.S.-Canadian effort, he said.

Secondly, section 1076 of the John Warner Defense Appropriation Act for Fiscal Year 2007 grants the president the right to commandeer federal troops or state National Guard to use them domestically, he noted.



And as WND has reported, the new National Security (NSPD-51) and Homeland Security (HSPD-20) Presidential Directives signed May 6 give the president unprecedented, almost dictatorial, powers should the president declare a national emergency.

The columnist noted such a combination of provisions would allow President Bush to mobilize for a variety of events – such as a hurricane.

He said under USNORTHCOM, the U.S. command center, a number of exercises and operations already have been carried out, including ARDENT SENTRY – NORTHERN EDGE, VIGILANT GUARD, ALASKA SHIELD and others.

An exercise that finished just a few weeks ago included the Canada Command as a full partner and was the largest exercise to date in terms of the number of personnel, the length of the drill, the cost and the complexity of the exercise series. The exercise took place in New England, Alaska, as well as Ohio, Illinois, and Indiana, with cross-border deployments staged in the Indiana part of the exercise, he wrote.

Gen. Victor E. Renuart, commander of NORAD and USNORTHCOM, recently told the media the exercise "allowed us to validate the incredible amount of planning that has gone on since Hurricane Katrina, not only to respond to things like a hurricane, but also to ensure that the agencies responsible for homeland security and homeland defense really can work together under a series of demanding scenarios."

WND also has reported that KBR, formerly a Halliburton subsidiary, has in place a $385 million Department of Homeland Security contract to build on a contingency basis detention facilities that could be utilized for domestic emergencies, including sudden mass immigration across our southern border

RE: RE: Texas Patriots listen up!!! Repost this, IMPORTANT!!!

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From: Erin
Date: Jun 6, 2007 2:19 PM


From: Antonio
Date: 06 Jun 2007, 11:16


Repost this

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From: A Project For the New American Citizen
Date: Jun 6, 2007 11:12 AM


Everyone get down to the Governor's Mansion tomorrow (Thursday) and protest Rick Perry flying off to Istanbul for the Bilderberg Group meeting, which is in violation of the Logan Act.

Governor's Mansion
Thursday 06/07/2007
7:00 P.M

RE: Bush as our dictator??? Can you decide?

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From: A-Bomb
Date: Jun 6, 2007 2:29 PM


Just know that we live in a World today where Bush can not only declare himself dictator simply because of spell of bad weather but he also holds the spell book to create it.

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From: Jennifer
Date: Jun 6, 2007 10:51 AM


Bush Appoints Himself Dicatator Under National Emergency

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From: Alex.
Date: Jun 6, 2007 10:36 AM


From: Ukrainian Existentialism
Date: Jun 6, 2007 10:18 AM


From *Galactic Consciousness*



Bush Appoints Himself Dictator Under National Emergency

Bush signs unconstitutional "power grab" presidential directives NSPD51 and HSPD20, giving him full-dictatorial powers in the event of a loosely defined "catastrophic emergency."
_______________________________

The directives define "catastrophic emergency" as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government function."

It also states that "The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government." In other words, the president gave himself the sole power and duty to interpret the constitution anyway he chooses, and neither Congress nor the public shall be allowed to debate or disagree on such matters.

Right now, the only thing standing between democracy and Bush's apparent desire to rule with an iron fist is a lesser event than that of 9/11

RE: Ron Paul has a serious decision to make on his running mate!

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From: Pan Man
Date: Jun 5, 2007 8:01 PM





If Ron Paul is really serious about being President...a long shot of about 20 to 1 right now... he will need to be very thoughtful about who it is that has propelled him to the lead in most internet polls. That means he will have to commit to his following 100% and not go soft when it comes to picking the VP running mate. Ron Paul will be 73 when the elections roll around and that is not in his favor, as I am sure you understand. He needs a running mate that we can depend on to be as committed and fearless as he is to the causes he says he wants to champion. In my opinion, that can be only one person, Cynthia McKinney!

He will not get the Republican nomination...that's for sure, even if he is leading in all the polls by a wide margin. You must know that, too. Popular opinion (and even the popular vote!) don't mean squat, and haven't for a long time in America. The CFR/PNAC/Bilderbergs choose the nominees, not a bunch of concerned citizens on the Internet...you must know that, too.



No matter how big a total Nazi assbag mass murdering Zionist war pig and martial law advocate Giuliani is, and even if Luke Rudkowski catches him having sex with Newt Gingrich, a midget hooker and a goat, he will still get nominated...as will Hillary (although no self respecting goat would ever have sex with her!)... because that's what the NWO wants in order to assure business as usual in the White House and the Pentagram.





If Ron Paul could afford to be candid at this point, he would be the first to tell you he knows all I have just explained but he needs the exposure and the forum the debates have given him to raise money and make a name for himself. He knows he will have to switch over to the Libertarian Party or just be a real independent and use his web base to lead the new Internet Party.


Outside of a real long shot like RFK, Jr. or Dennis Kucinich as the VP, Cynthia McKinney is by far the most logical choice because she will help him with blacks Hispanics, Orientals, the poor, the conservative far left intelligencia and the peace and truth movement. It is very unlikely that Kucinich will run as a VP for an independent or Libertarian candidate and Kennedy has his own special concerns about running. Regardless of who R. Paul selects as a running mate, it will definitely make him or break him for campaign funds, volunteers and a real shot at the election in 08.

I certainly wish him well...no matter what!

Peace out!
Pan Man

RE: Electric cars R great for the environment but Y so slow?????

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From: Pan Man
Date: Jun 6, 2007 2:31 PM


Not so fast there, Ferrari! Pull it over, Porsche! You been owned!

RE: PLEASE HELP KEEP TRUTH ALIVE!!!! REPOST THIS

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From: Pamela's Protest
Date: Jun 5, 2007 8:26 PM


PLEASE HELP KEEP TRUTH ALIVE!!!! REPOST THIS

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From: Tyler
Date: Jun 5, 2007 5:24 PM

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RE: Intelligent Minds & Explosing Corruption Of Our Corporates

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From: Galactic Angel
Date: Jun 6, 2007 1:27 PM


Love & Light Too
Dalibor
Date: Jun 5, 2007 4:27 PM


Michael Moore is the real HERO in USA !!!


Castro and Chavez have a better system then USA
the richest country on the planet!


It is ALL UP TO YOU NOW !!!

RE: Pharmaceuticals Contaminating Public Water Supplies

Didn't people learn from flushing gators down the drain. This is the strangst thing I have heard being done in the medical feild, "just flush it down the toilet." Every person who dies has their medication discarded into what will soon be your drinking water. Yumm yumm, come get ya some.
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From: Galactic Angel
Date: Jun 6, 2007 1:30 PM


Love & Light Too

Emanations Of Love
Date: Jun 6, 2007 11:09 AM

Pharmaceuticals contaminating public water supplies; anti-seizure meds found in Lake Michigan

Pharmaceuticals, including birth-control hormones and anti-seizure medications, have been found in Lake Michigan and public water supplies, according to a new study. The study was jointly sponsored by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the American Pharmacists Association.

The water system examined serves more than a quarter-million people in Grand Rapids, East Grand Rapids, Walker, part of Kentwood, Ada, Cascade and Grand Rapids townships, as well as parts of Ottawa County.

In Lake Michigan, near the Grand Rapids water filtration plant, tests found traces of Tylenol, ibuprofen, hormones from birth-control pills, and some beta blockers in heart medication, Department of Environmental Quality toxicologist Amy Perbeck stated.

In treated water at the Grand Rapids water filtration plant, scientists found traces of the anti-seizure medication carbamazepine, she said. The drugs were measured in parts per trillion -- too small to be considered a "therapeutic dose" in humans, said Perbeck.

"Someone would have to drink 17,000 gallons of water to get the concentration they would get in one ibuprofen pill," she said.

However, Perbeck expressed concern about the effect of birth-control hormones on fish, stating "The fish are constantly exposed to hormones." In some parts of the country, scientists have found male fish with female ovarian tissues.

Professor Rick Rediske, senior program manager at Grand Valley State University's Annis Water Resources Institute, pointed out even the smallest amounts of pharmaceuticals, as well as substances such as anti-bacterial soap, could harm aquatic life.

He referred to shellfish, which excrete serotonin to signal they are ready to mate. Trace amounts of serotonin in anti-depressants such as Prozac could send false messages.
"It can mess up part of their life cycle," he said, "It's very complicated when there are very low levels of exposure over a long time."

While some scientists claim the drugs are too diluted to harm humans, they acknowledge no one knows the dangers of lifetime exposure.

"Pharmaceuticals are toxic chemicals that pollute the environment, and the pharmaceutical industry has so far refused to take responsibility for the environmental impact of its products," explained Mike Adams, author of The Real Safety Guide to Protecting Your Environment, "Consumers need to be warned that popping pills is not just harmful to your own health; it's also harmful to the health of http://www.newstarget.com/water_supplies.html>water supplies and aquatic systems."



(source)

RE: Internet Doomsday Creeps Closer

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From: Veritas (Latin For Truth)
Date: Jun 5, 2007 6:30 PM


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From: Alex Jones
Date: Jun 5, 2007 3:26 PM




Internet Doomsday Creeps Closer

Recent proposals in the U.S. Congress are taking a huge swipe at freedom in America once again by aiming to impose multiple different forms of crippling taxation and restriction on users of the internet.

http://www.infowars.net/articles/june2007/050607Internet.htm

RE: Make Film Not War - Parental Advisory

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From: Haduken Jeckt
Date: Jun 6, 2007 9:46 AM





Link to Origin






Peace Bros,
~Haduken!

RE: Get Off Your Ass & Do Something in Your City Already!!!!!!!!

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Date: Jun 5, 2007 5:29 PM

RE: VETERANS REENACT IRAQ PATROLS ON SANTA MONICA, CA STREETS

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From: Future Political Prisoner
Date: Jun 5, 2007 6:15 PM


Thanks: Big AL & John & JuliaCuteOne



VETERANS REENACT IRAQ PATROLS ON SANTA MONICA, CA STREETS



Bringing the streets of Iraq to Santa Monica, California. A reenactment by Iraq Veterans Against the War. Veteran Marine Sergeant Jason Lemieux served three combat tours in Iraq, including the initial invasion. In this clip he says, "American people are getting fed this notion that we're in Iraq spreading freedom and making Iraq safe for democracy, when really we're imposing a state of martial law on the people there." The reporter says, "Veteran's wearing uniforms during anti-war protests have been criticized AND some are being investigated by the military", and Sergeant Lemieux comments, "There are service members wearing their uniforms at political events and other events all around the country. The only ones who are hearing anything about it are the ones that are speaking at the political events that the administration and the Marine Corps doesn't like." That is blatantly obvious. The military and the administration ... and the media really don't make a big deal about veterans wearing their uniforms at rallies in support of Bush or his administration's policies. This sentiment about what the hell our young men and women are doing or accomplishing in Iraq must be growing among active military members. Let's support them, let's bring them home soon!

Please visit Iraq Veterans Against the War - http://www.ivaw.org

RE: Abraham & Brahma

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From: Subversionary
Date: Jun 5, 2007 4:25 PM


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Thanks my brother The Deconstruction Process
Date: Jun 5, 2007 3:20 PM


very interesting

Thank you: _.~*SVAHA*~._
Date: Jun 5, 2007 3:07 PM








"There are certain striking similarities between the Hindu god Brahma and his consort Saraisvati, and the Jewish Abraham and Sarai, that are more than mere coincidences. Although in all of India there is only one temple dedicated to Brahma, this cult is the third largest Hindu sect."

"The Arabian historians contend that Brahma and Abraham, their ancestor, are the same person. The Persians generally called Abraham Ibrahim Zeradust. Cyrus considered the religion of the Jews the same as his own. The Hindoos must have come from Abraham, or the Israelites from Brahma…" (Anacalypsis; Vol. I, p. 396.)

Ram and Abraham were possibly the same person or clan. For example, the syllable "Ab" or "Ap" means "father" in Kashmiri. The prototypical Jews could have called Ram "Ab-Ram" or "Father Ram." It's also conceivable that the word "Brahm" evolved from "Ab-Ram" and not vice-versa. The Kashmiri word for "Divine Mercy," Raham, likewise derives from Ram. Ab-Raham = "Father of Divine Mercy." Rakham = "Divine Mercy" in Hebrew; Ram is also the Hebrew term for "highly placed leader or governor." Indian historian A. D. Pusalker, whose essay "Traditional History From the Earliest Times" appeared in The Vedic Age, said that Ram was alive in 1950 BC, which is about the time that Abraham, the Indo-Hebrews, and the Aryans made the greatest India-to-the-Middle East migration since the Great Flood.

The individual is not constitutionally separate from the substance of the whole, and the whole is not in any way different from the structure of the part. They are essentially the same. That which connects the part with the whole and the whole with the part is what is called Purusha. The Being that is between the two as a need, as it were, is the immortal essence of the cosmos as well as the individual - sa yo'ayam atma. This is the Atman that we speak of. This is the Self of the Universal Being; this is the Self of the individual being; this is the Self of what is outside; this is the Self of what is inside. This is all ­ idam sarvam. This is called Brahman, the Absolute. It is filling all space, existing everywhere, filling all things. It is a plenum; it is fullness; and therefore it, is called Brahma. The word Brahma comes from the root brahm, to fill everything, complete everything, and to be self-sufficient in every respect. That which is overwhelming and complete in itself is Brahma, and that is the Atman or the Self of all beings - idam brahma, idam sarvam.~Swami Krishnananda


two resources for further study...

Who was Abraham?

Who was Abraham?

RE: All you need to know about politics in one picture

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From: R4ND0mLI9HT
Date: Jun 5, 2007 12:37 PM

RE: Hillary Clinton Flat Out Lies at The June 3rd CNN Debate

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From: dave
Date: Jun 5, 2007 11:31 AM


thanks to Leo. peace, dave

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From: Leo/FightNWO-Resisting World Government
Date: Jun 5, 2007 8:21 AM


Hillary Clinton Flat Out Lies at The
June 3rd CNN Debate

You
tube


Tuesday June 5, 2007 

Edit:Hillary did not vote for the Military Commissions Act. This was
to be removed in the final version.

First Hillary fails to read the pre-war Iraq intelligence report: http://...com/2c8afj

Now this is a flat out lie! Does the media even pick up on this?? Nope!

RE: Cheney LiesTo High Schoolers About Iraq/Al Qaeda

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From: dave
Date: Jun 5, 2007 11:37 AM


thanks to Leo. peace, dave


Leo/FightNWO-Resisting World Government

Cheney Lies To High Schoolers About Debunked Iraq/al Qaeda Connection

Think Progress
Tuesday June 5, 2007 

“Addressing about 100 wide-eyed Wyoming high school students learning about government and the political process,” Vice President Cheney yesterday repeated one of the key fabrications that helped send the United States into war.

During the question and answer session, one student asked, “I was wondering — I’m not trying to start a debate, or anything, but do you still think that the Iraq war can be won?” Cheney immediately answered “yes,” adding, “I think we’re making significant progress now.”

He then launched into a justification of the war, citing the September 11 attacks. “The fact of the matter is Iraq is part of the global war on terror,” he told the students. “And you’ve got to go back and look at what happened on 9/11.” Cheney recounted the tale of the late al-Qaeda operative Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, one of the administration’s great pre-war myths:

The worst terrorist we had in Iraq was a guy named Abu Musab al Zarqawi, a Jordanian by birth; served time in a Jordanian prison as a terrorist, was let out on amnesty. … Then when we launched into Afghanistan after 9/11, he was wounded, and fled to Baghdad for medical treatment, and then set up shop in Iraq. So he operated in Jordan, he operated in Afghanistan, then he moved to Iraq.

The implication that Zarqawi helped justify the war was thoroughly debunked last year by the Senate Intelligence Committee, then chaired by Bush loyalist Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS.) It found:

Saddam Hussein attempted, unsuccessfully, to locate and capture al-Zarqawi and…the regime did not have a relationship with, harbor, or turn a blind eye toward Zarqawi. [p. 109]

Adding insult to injury, earlier in the event, Cheney was asked about the “values or philosophy” he has developed during his 40 years of government service. He answered, “I basically developed a great respect for American history.”

RE: US Can Forget About Winning in Iraq: Top Retired General

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From: dave
Date: Jun 5, 2007 11:56 AM


http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/06/04/1653/

US Can Forget About Winning in Iraq: Top Retired General
by Sig Christenson

The man who commanded US-led coalition forces during the first year of the Iraq war says the United States can forget about winning the war.

“I think if we do the right things politically and economically with the right Iraqi leadership we could still salvage at least a stalemate, if you will — not a stalemate but at least stave off defeat,” retired Army Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez said in an interview.0604 06

Sanchez, in his first interview since he retired last year, is the highest-ranking former military leader yet to suggest the Bush administration has fallen short in Iraq.

“I am absolutely convinced that America has a crisis in leadership at this time,” Sanchez told AFP after a recent speech in San Antonio, Texas.

“We’ve got to do whatever we can to help the next generation of leaders do better than we have done over the past five years, better than what this cohort of political and military leaders have done,” adding that he was “referring to our national political leadership in its entirety” - not just President George W. Bush.

Sanchez called the situation in Iraq bleak, which he blamed on “the abysmal performance in the early stages and the transition of sovereignty.”

He included himself among those who erred in Iraq’s crucial first year after the toppling of the Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.

Sanchez took command in the summer of 2003 and oversaw the occupation force amid an insurgency that has sparked a low-grade civil war in Iraq.

He was in the middle of some of the most momentous events of the war, among them the dissolution of the Iraqi army and barring millions of Baath Party members from government jobs: two actions seen as triggering the rebellion among Sunni Muslims, who fell from power with Saddam.

Sanchez is also most closely identified with the Abu Ghraib scandal, which occurred on his watch.

Though he was cleared of wrongdoing by an Army probe, Abu Ghraib’s images of naked prisoners humiliated by a rogue torture squad cost Sanchez an almost certain fourth star in the Senate, which approves general officer promotions.

Sanchez, 56, declined to talk about Abu Ghraib or other key events of the war, or say who was to blame for what went wrong.

“That’s something I am still struggling with and it’s not about blame because there’s nobody out there that is intentionally trying to screw things up for our country,” he said. “They were all working to do the best damn job they can to get things right.”

Despite those good intentions, Americans will be forced to “answer the question what is victory, and at this point I’m not sure America really knows what victory is,” said Sanchez, who is thinking of writing a tell-all book about his year in Baghdad.

The US ambassador in Baghdad, Ryan Crocker, reacted on Sunday to Sanchez’s comments by insisting: “It’s just way premature to be talking in terms of victory or defeat.”

“What we’re trying to do here is stabilize the security situation, particularly in Baghdad, to allow a political process some time and space to work,” he said on Fox News.

He said time was needed for Bush’s “surge” strategy, launched in January, of ploughing thousands more troops into Iraq “to make a difference on the streets and then time for this political process to unfold.”

Sanchez said a large troop commitment would be needed for years to come but conceded it is “very questionable” whether Americans would support it.

Still, he said, “the coalition cannot afford to precipitously withdraw and leave the Iraqis to their own devices.”

Andrew Krepinevich, a former aide to three defense secretaries who heads the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington, shared that assessment.

“What you are looking at are three factions who are profoundly mistrustful of one another,” he said. “Iraq is a country where those on top have brutally repressed those on the bottom, and that is the way they look at seizing power and maintaining power.”

Retired Army General Barry McCaffrey, a ground commander in the 1990-1991 Gulf War, said he’s trying to remain optimistic but thinks domestic support for the war will evaporate within 36 months.

“I personally don’t think it’s over yet,” said McCaffrey, who recently toured Iraq. He said he thinks General David Petraeus, the coalition commander in Iraq, and Crocker can stave off a wider civil war.

“The question is, can the ambassador and Petraeus open reconciliation talks among Iraqis, and (Secretary of State) Condi Rice keep the regional powers from meddling any more in Iraq? The jury’s out,” he said.

RE: AFP: Experts cast doubt on credibility of JFK terror plot

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Experts cast doubt on credibility of JFK terror plot

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Tuesday June 5, 2007 

An alleged plot to blow up fuel tanks and pipelines at New York's JFK airport had little chance of success, according to safety experts, who have questioned whether the plot ever posed a real threat.

US authorities said Saturday they had averted an attack that could have resulted in "unfathomable damage, deaths, and destruction," and charged four alleged Islamic radicals with conspiracy to cause an explosion at the airport.

But according to the experts, it would have been next to impossible to cause an explosion in the jet fuel tanks and pipeline. Furthermore, the plotters seem to have lacked the explosives and financial backing to carry out the attack.

John Goglia, a former member of National Transportation Safety Board, said that if the plot had ever been carried out, it would likely have sparked a fire but little else, and certainly not the mass carnage authorities described.

"You could definitely reach the tank, definitely start the fire, but to get the kind of explosion that they were thinking that they were going to get... this is virtually impossible to do," he told AFP.

The fuel pipelines around the airport would similarly burn, rather than explode, because they are a full of fuel and unable to mix with enough oxygen.

"We had a number of fires in the US. All that happens is a big fire," he said. "It won't blow up, it will only burn."

Even if the attackers had managed to blow up a fuel tank, the impact would be limited, he said, citing the example of North Vietnamese forces attacking US fuel dumps during the Vietnam war.

"They hit the fuel tanks with pretty big rockets. You would get a big fire but not a big explosion other than the rocket."

"There is a difference between just exploding the tank and a huge explosion. The tank may explode and blow up some metal, but that certainly wouldn't go very far," he said.

His comments contrasted with those of US Attorney Roslynn Mauskopf, who insisted at the weekend that "the devastation that would be caused had this plot succeeded is just unthinkable."

Jake Magish, an engineer with Supersafe Tank Systems, also cast doubt on the credibility of the plot, saying: "The fantasy that I've heard about the people saying 'they will blow the tank and destroy the airport,' is nonsense."

"There are people there responding to hysteria, I think. But from an engineering point of view, if someone is successful in blowing a hole into a tank, they will just have a fire from one tank.

"There is no way for the fire to go from tank to tank, that is nonsense. It just won't happen."

Besides the alleged plotters' capability, other questions have focused on the main source in the probe -- a convicted drug dealer who infiltrated the group and whose sentence was pending as part of his cooperation with police.

Neal Sonnett, a former federal prosecutor, told the New York Times there was also a danger in overstating how serious or sophisticated a plot really was.

"There unfortunately has been a tendency to shout too loudly about such cases," he said. "To the extent that you over-hype a case, you create fear and paranoia," he said.

The New York Times on Sunday pointedly avoided giving much coverage to the alleged plot, devoting only a brief on its front page continued on the local section, despite the story breaking in the early afternoon on Saturday.

RE: Joe Biden Admits Post-9/11 Meeting With Hijacker's Financier

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Biden Admits Post-9/11 Meeting With Hijacker's Financier

We Are Change group questions Senator on details of confab with Pakistani general

Presidential candidate Senator Joe Biden admitted meeting with the chief financier of the 9/11 hijackers in the days after September 11 after being confronted by We Are Change founder Luke Rudkowski in the press room following Sunday's Democratic debate in New Hampshire.

According to the FBI and as confirmed by various news reports at the time, Pakistani ISI General Mahmoud Ahmad instructed Omar Saeed Sheikh, the alleged assassin of Daniel Pearl, to wire $100,000 to alleged lead hijacker Mohammed Atta in the summer of 2001. Arriving exactly one week before 9/11, the general met with Pentagon, White House National Security Council and CIA officials, including George Tenet and Marc Grossman, then U.S. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs.

On the very morning of 9/11, Ahmad was at a breakfast meeting on Capitol Hill hosted by Senator Bob Graham and Rep. Porter Goss, the chairmen of the Senate and House Intelligence committees.

Two days after the attack on the twin towers and the Pentagon, on September 13th, Senator Joseph Biden, Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, met with the ISI chief.

No adequate explanation has been forthcoming as to why top government and intelligence officials were meeting with the money man behind the alleged hijackers before and after 9/11.

Shortly after the Democratic debate had finished on Sunday, Prison Planet reporter Rudkowski was able to get access to the CNN spin room and confront presidential candidate Biden about his 9/11 meeting with the Pakistani General.

Pakistani ISI General Mahmoud Ahmad.

"We asked him the question - what was he doing with the head of the Pakistani ISI General Mahmoud Ahmad," said Rudkowski.

"He told me - he admitted that he met with him - he met with the head of the Pakistani ISI - he said I told them not to do it, I told them not to wire the money - I told them to stop supporting the Taliban, which shows he had foreknowledge of them supporting him."

"I told him - sir, he funded the hijackers, you did business with him, you let him go - he's free," said Rudkowski, to which Biden responded, "Get a life kid," after which Rudkowski was pushed away by Biden's security staff.

Biden's comments demand immediate explanation and an investigation into why Mohammed Atta's chief financier was allowed to leave the United States without even being questioned by authorities after having met with top Bush administration and other public officials.

The We Are Change organization, who made headlines for their recent head-to-head with Rudy Giuliani, were also busy speaking truth to power and confronting other high profile figures during their visit to New Hampshire.

Rudkowski said the event was packed with Ron Paul supporters and 9/11 truthers, outnumbering everybody besides Obama and Clinton acolytes.

The group confronted Bohemian Grove members Bill Richardson and David Gergen at the event, causing Richardson to run and leave the building, while Gergen attempted the laugh the subject away before the subjects of male prostitution at the Grove and Molec was mentioned, at which point Gergen also hurriedly left.

Another member of the group, Nate Evans, confronted Hillary Clinton at a fundraiser in New York, calling her "Queen Hillary" and was immediately assaulted by secret service, physically thrown out of the event and chased away.

Clinton was also asked about 9/11 and her association with the Bilderberg Group but completely ignored the questions.

Video footage from all the confrontations will be made available in the coming days.

RE: Joe Biden Admits Post-9/11 Meeting With Hijacker's Financier

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Biden Admits Post-9/11 Meeting With Hijacker's Financier

We Are Change group questions Senator on details of confab with Pakistani general

Presidential candidate Senator Joe Biden admitted meeting with the chief financier of the 9/11 hijackers in the days after September 11 after being confronted by We Are Change founder Luke Rudkowski in the press room following Sunday's Democratic debate in New Hampshire.

According to the FBI and as confirmed by various news reports at the time, Pakistani ISI General Mahmoud Ahmad instructed Omar Saeed Sheikh, the alleged assassin of Daniel Pearl, to wire $100,000 to alleged lead hijacker Mohammed Atta in the summer of 2001. Arriving exactly one week before 9/11, the general met with Pentagon, White House National Security Council and CIA officials, including George Tenet and Marc Grossman, then U.S. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs.

On the very morning of 9/11, Ahmad was at a breakfast meeting on Capitol Hill hosted by Senator Bob Graham and Rep. Porter Goss, the chairmen of the Senate and House Intelligence committees.

Two days after the attack on the twin towers and the Pentagon, on September 13th, Senator Joseph Biden, Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, met with the ISI chief.

No adequate explanation has been forthcoming as to why top government and intelligence officials were meeting with the money man behind the alleged hijackers before and after 9/11.

Shortly after the Democratic debate had finished on Sunday, Prison Planet reporter Rudkowski was able to get access to the CNN spin room and confront presidential candidate Biden about his 9/11 meeting with the Pakistani General.

Pakistani ISI General Mahmoud Ahmad.

"We asked him the question - what was he doing with the head of the Pakistani ISI General Mahmoud Ahmad," said Rudkowski.

"He told me - he admitted that he met with him - he met with the head of the Pakistani ISI - he said I told them not to do it, I told them not to wire the money - I told them to stop supporting the Taliban, which shows he had foreknowledge of them supporting him."

"I told him - sir, he funded the hijackers, you did business with him, you let him go - he's free," said Rudkowski, to which Biden responded, "Get a life kid," after which Rudkowski was pushed away by Biden's security staff.

Biden's comments demand immediate explanation and an investigation into why Mohammed Atta's chief financier was allowed to leave the United States without even being questioned by authorities after having met with top Bush administration and other public officials.

The We Are Change organization, who made headlines for their recent head-to-head with Rudy Giuliani, were also busy speaking truth to power and confronting other high profile figures during their visit to New Hampshire.

Rudkowski said the event was packed with Ron Paul supporters and 9/11 truthers, outnumbering everybody besides Obama and Clinton acolytes.

The group confronted Bohemian Grove members Bill Richardson and David Gergen at the event, causing Richardson to run and leave the building, while Gergen attempted the laugh the subject away before the subjects of male prostitution at the Grove and Molec was mentioned, at which point Gergen also hurriedly left.

Another member of the group, Nate Evans, confronted Hillary Clinton at a fundraiser in New York, calling her "Queen Hillary" and was immediately assaulted by secret service, physically thrown out of the event and chased away.

Clinton was also asked about 9/11 and her association with the Bilderberg Group but completely ignored the questions.

Video footage from all the confrontations will be made available in the coming days.

RE: Ron Paul Rocks the CNN Republican Debate - 6/5/07

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RE: Infowars' Matt Lepacek arrested after GOP debate

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Too bad it's making people even more aware of the scumbag Guiliani is... he's ruining himself; nobody's sabotaging him but himself.



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Reporter Arrested For Asking Giuliani Tough Questions


UPDATE: Here is video of the event in question. Matt Lepacek who is a reporter for Infowars.Com and a member of We Are Change had his Constitutional first amendment rights clearly violated. So much for free press. We are now living in the fourth reich.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOerYpJse30

The first amendment is under serious attack following an incident that took place at the GOP presidential debates up here in New Hampshire. Matt Lepacek a member of the activist/alternative media group We Are Change was arrested for simply attempting to question Rudy Giuliani about different issues including the fact that he previously lied to the We Are Change group about his involvement in the events of 9/11. This event shows that we no longer have freedom of speech or freedom of press in this country.

Even though Mr. Lapecek was unable to specifically question Giuliani he was able to pepper one of Giuliani's staff members with hard questions. Despite asking these questions in a respectful manner, Mr. Lepacek was escorted out of the building even though he was asking legitimate questions and had press credentials issued to him by the debate organizers. Mr. Lepacek protested his removal from the post-debate press area and demanded to know from police officers why his Constitutional rights were being violated. He attempted to re-enter the building and was subsequently arrested and charged with criminal trespassing for merely exercising his Constitutional rights. What made this even crazier was the fact that most of this was broadcast via a live web camera feed on the We Are Change web site. Hundreds of people witnessed Mr. Lepacek be arrested by the police officers even after he informed them that video of the events were being broadcast live on the Internet.

It would be one thing if he intentionally created a disruption during the debate itself or in the post-debate press area but he did nothing of the sort. All he wanted to do was ask Giuliani and other candidates the tough questions that the establishment media is afraid and unwilling to ask. What is really ridiculous is that he didn't even get a chance to question Giuliani and yet he was still escorted out of the building. Do we really have a free press if certain members of the press are selectively escorted away from political figures? We clearly have a situation where the establishment press is a lapdog for the government. A free press that is a watchdog of the government is one of the keys in having a free and open society. It appears clear from Lepacek's arrest that we have neither a free or open society.

Details are still sketchy on these events, but I witnessed a good portion of the web feed by watching the live video feed in the group's RV at the debate. I also got information from the other We Are Change members and everything indicates that this is an extremely disturbing event. His removal from the building was unjustified and his arrest for criminal trespassing was a clear violation of his Constitutional rights.

Welcome to Nazi America. Judging from the early reports of this event, it appears as if we no longer have a free press in this country. We'll provide an update on this event tomorrow as more details come available.

RE: Sicko? The Truth About the US Healthcare System

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Cynthia Kline knew exactly what was happening to her when she suffered a heart attack at her home in Cambridge, Massachusetts. She took the time to call an ambulance, popped some nitroglycerin tablets she had been prescribed in anticipation of just such an emergency, and waited for help to arrive.

0604 03 1 2On paper, everything should have gone fine. Unlike tens of millions of Americans, she had health insurance coverage. The ambulance team arrived promptly. The hospital where she had been receiving treatment for her cardiac problems, a private teaching facility affiliated with the Harvard Medical School, was just a few minutes away.

The problem was, the casualty department at the hospital, Mount Auburn, was full to overflowing. And it turned her away. The ambulance took her to another nearby hospital but the treatment she needed, an emergency catheterization, was not available there. A flurry of phone calls to other medical facilities in the Boston area came up empty. With a few hours, Cynthia Kline was dead.

She died in an American city with one of the highest concentration of top-flight medical specialists in the world. And it happened largely because of America’s broken health care system - one where 50 million people are entirely without insurance coverage and tens of millions more struggle to have the treatment they need approved. As a result, medical problems go unattended until they reach crisis point. Patients then rush to hospital casualty departments, where by law they cannot be turned away, overwhelming the system entirely. Everyone - doctors and patients, politicians on both the left and the right - agrees this is an insane way to run a health system.

When Elizabeth Hilsabeck gave birth to premature twins in Austin, Texas, she encountered another kind of insanity. Again, she was insured — through her husband, who had a good job in banking. But the twins were born when she was barely six months pregnant, and the boy, Parker, developed cerebral palsy. The doctors recommended physical therapy to build up muscle strength and give the boy a fighting chance of learning to walk, but her managed health provider refused to cover it.

The crazy bureaucratic logic was that the policy covered only “rehabilitative” therapy - in other words, teaching a patient a physical skill that has been lost. Since Parker had never walked, the therapy was in essence teaching him a new skill and therefore did not qualify. The Hilsabecks railed, protested, won some small reprieves, but ended up selling their home and moving into a trailer to cover their costs. Elizabeth’s husband, Steven, considered taking a new, better-paying job, but chose not to after making careful inquiries about the health insurance coverage. “When is he getting over the cerebral palsy?” a prospective new insurance company representative breezily asked the Hilsabecks. When Elizabeth explained he would never get over it, she was told she was on her own.

Everyone in America has a health-care horror story or knows someone who does. Mostly they are stories of grinding bureaucratic frustration, of phone calls and officials letters and problems with their credit rating, or of people ignoring a slowly deteriorating medical condition because they are afraid that an expensive battery of tests will lead to a course of treatment that could quickly become unaffordable.

Even when things don’t go horribly wrong, it is a matter of surviving by the skin of one’s teeth.

In Montana, Melissa Anderson can’t find affordable insurance because she is self-employed - an increasingly common affliction. When her son Kasey came down with epilepsy two years ago, she was saved only by a recently introduced child health insurance programme specifically tailored to people who aren’t poor but can’t afford to pay monster medical bills. She herself remains uninsured for anything short of major care needs.

Over the past 15 years, the stories have become less about poor people without the economic means to access the system - although that remains a vast, unsolved problem - and more about the kind of people who have every expectation they will be taken care of. Middle-class people, people with jobs that carry health benefits or - as the problem worsens - people with the sorts of jobs that used to carry robust health benefits which are now more rudimentary and risk their being cut off for a variety of reasons.

This is the morass that Michael Moore has chosen to explore in his latest documentary, Sicko, which goes on release later this month. Moore spends much of the film demonstrating that there is nothing inevitable or necessary about a system that enriches insurance companies and drug manufacturers but shortchanges absolutely everyone else. His searching documentary looks at health care in France, Britain, Canada, and even Cuba - still regarded as a model system for the Third World.

Moore has his share of ghoulishly awful stories. The film kicks off with an uninsured carpenter who has to decide whether to spend $12,000 (£6,000) reattaching his severed ring finger or $60,000 to reattach his severed middle finger. Later on, Moore focuses on a hospital worker whose husband needed a bone marrow transplant to save him from a rare disease. The couple’s insurance company refused to cover the transplant because it regarded the treatment as “experimental”. The husband died.

Many more stories are collected in a newly published book called Sick: The Untold Story of America’s Health Care Crisis, by Jonathan Cohn. A woman in California called Nelene Fox died of breast cancer after she, too, was turned down for a bone marrow transplant by her insurance company. In Georgia, a family whose infant son went into cardiac arrest were forced to take him to a hospital 45 miles away on their insurance carrier’s orders. He survived, but suffered permanent disabilities that more prompt treatment might have averted. In New York, an infant called Bryan Jones - whose case was trumpeted all over the local media at the time - died of a heart defect that went undetected because his insurance company kicked him and his mother out of hospital 24 hours after his birth, too soon to carry out the tests that might have spotted the problem.

America’s health system offers a tremendous paradox. In medical technology and in the scientific understanding of disease, it is second-to-none. Since doctors are better paid than anywhere else in the world, the country attracts the best of the best. And yet many, if not most, Americans are unable to reap the advantages of this. In fact, as The New York Times columnist Paul Krugman has argued, the very proliferation of research and high-tech equipment is part of the reason for the imbalance in coverage between the privileged few and the increasingly underserved masses. “[The system] compensates for higher spending on insiders, in party, by consigning more people to outsider status –robbing Peter of basic care in order to pay for Paul’s state-of-the-art treatment,” Krugman wrote recently. “Thus we have the cruel paradox that medical progress is bad for many Americans’ health.”

Having the system run by for-profit insurance companies turns out to be inefficient and expensive as well as dehumanising. America spends more than twice as much per capita on health care as France, and almost two and a half times as much as Britain. And yet it falls down in almost every key indicator of public health, starting, perhaps, most shockingly, with infant mortality, which is 36 per cent higher than in Britain.

A recent survey by the management consulting company McKinsey estimated the excess bureaucratic costs of managing private insurance policies - scouting for business, processing claims, and hiring “denial management specialists” to tell people why their ailment is not covered by their policy - at about $98bn a year. That, on its own, is significantly more than the $77bn McKinsey calculates it would cost to cover every uninsured American. If the government negotiated bulk purchasing rates for drugs, rather than allowing the pharmaceutical companies to set their own extortionate rates, that would save another $66bn.

Astonishingly, there hasn’t been a serious debate about health care in the United States since Bill Clinton, with considerable input from his wife Hillary, tried and failed to overhaul the system in 1994. That, though, may be about to change as the 2008 presidential race heats up. Everyone acknowledges the system is broken. Everyone recognizes that 50 million uninsured - including almost 10 million children - is unacceptable in a civilized society.

Even the old, classically American free-market argument - that “socialized” medicine is somehow the first step on a slippery slope towards godless communism - doesn’t hold water, because in the absence of a functioning private insurance regime the government ends up picking up about 50 per cent of the overall costs for treatment anyway. The indigent rely on a government program called Medicaid. The elderly have a government program called Medicare. And perhaps the most efficient part of the whole system is the Veterans’ Administration, a sort of NHS for former servicemen.

Rather like London and Paris in the 19th century, where the authorities belatedly paid attention to outbreaks of cholera once the disease started affecting the rich and middle classes, so the American health crisis may be coming to a head because of the kinds of people who are suffering from its injustices.

Corporate chief executives, for a start, are gagging under the ever-increasing costs of providing coverage to their employees. Starbucks now spends more on health care than it does on coffee beans. Company health costs, as a whole, are at about the same level as corporate profits. In a globalized world where US businesses are competing with low-wage countries such as India and China, that is rapidly becoming unacceptable.

That explains, perhaps, why the chief executive of Wal-Mart, Lee Scott, has made common cause with America’s leading service sector union - more commonly a bitter critic of Wal-Mart’s labour practices - in calling for a government-run universal health care system by 2012. It’s going to be a tough battle. The insurance and pharmaceutical industries bankroll the campaigns of dozens of congressmen and have so far been brutally efficient in protecting their own interests. The Clintons were defeated in 1994 in part because of the power of the industry lobbies. Doing better this time will take singular political courage.

In the meantime, we will hear ever more crazy stories like the one told by Marijon Binder, a former nun in Chicago who ended up being sued by a Catholic hospital for $11,000 because her two-night stay for a heart scare was not considered a worthy charity case. Binder, who works as a live-in companion to a disabled old woman, wrote on all her admission forms that she had no insurance and, in her telling at least, was reassured the hospital would take care of her anyway.

After a year and a monstrous bureaucratic fight that went nowhere, a civil judge promptly absolved her of responsibility for her bill - a lucky outcome, for sure. Binder said: “The whole experience was very demeaning. It made me feel very guilty; it made me feel like a criminal.” She is, though, alive and solvent. Not everyone in this system catches the same break.