Wednesday, December 26, 2007

RE: Iran reacts to NIE report

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From: Pamela for Truth
Date: Dec 25, 2007 8:39 PM



RE: Merry Nimrodmass to all my friends!

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From: Stop demonic attacks!
Date: Dec 25, 2007 10:42 PM

I hope your not in the "holiday spirit" - because you def didn't get it from Him.

"NIMROD" - The LORD of Christmas

"Nimrod started the great organized worldly apostasy from God that has dominated this world until now. Nimrod married his own mother, whose name was Semiramis. After Nimrod's death, his so-called mother-wife,
Semiramis, propagated the evil doctrine of the survival of Nimrod as a spirit being. She claimed a full-grown evergreen tree sprang overnight from a dead tree stump, which symbolized the springing forth unto new life
of the dead Nimrod. On each anniversary of his birth, she claimed, Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree and leave gifts upon it. December 25th, was the birthday of Nimrod. This is the real origin of the Christmas tree."
-The Plain Truth About Christmas by David J. Stewart | December 24th, 2005

"Traditionally, a yule log was burned in the fireplace on Christmas Eve and during the night as the log's embers died, there appeared in the room, as if by magic, a Christmas tree surrounded by gifts. The yule log
represented the sun-god Nimrod and the Christmas tree represented himself resurrected as his own son Tammuz." --After Armageddon -Chapter 4 Where do we get our ideas? by John A. Sarkett

"So our Christmas tree -- and our yule log -- have tremendous meaning, but not a Christian meaning. The yule log is the dead Nimrod, human ruler of
ancient Babylon, who was eventually deified as the sun incarnate, and hence a god. The Christmas tree is mystical Tammuz, the slain god come to life again." --After Armageddon -Chapter 4 Where do we get our ideas? by John A. Sarkett

The Real Origin of Christmas

"The real origin of Christmas goes back to ancient Babylon. It is bound up in the organized apostasy with which Satan has gripped a deceived world these many centuries! In Egypt, it was always believed that
the son of Iris (Egyptian name for "Queen of Heaven") was born December 25th. Semiramis also bore the title "Queen of Heaven" - and she was Nimrod's mother. Paganism celebrated this famous birthday over most
of the known world for centuries before the birth of Christ." -The Plain Truth About Christmas by David J. Stewart | December 24th, 2005

"Christmas as a pagan holiday traces back thousands of years before to a man named Nimrod, founder of ancient pagan Babylon." -Christmas Unwrapped From the History Channel by Alan Mansager

"December 25 was highly honored and recognized by Nimrod's supporters...Many centuries later this pagan custom was "Christianized" as being the birthday of Christ." -The True Origin of Christmas and Other Holidays Who Was Really Born On December 25? The Gilead Institute of America

"Lent, Easter and Christmas are of Babylonian origin." -EASTER AND CHRISTMAS PAGANISM 2000 B.C. TO DATE by Edward Stevens (1895-1966)

"December 25th was celebrated as Nimrod's birthday. Generally, all mankind is fast asleep, dreaming this old Babylonian dream."
-The Story Of Nimrod, As It Relates To Christmas And Easter by Wilhelm J Wolfaardt

A Deception of Satan

"Jesus Christ was NOT born on December 25. But December 25th can be traced back to Genesis and a man named Nimrod. Nimrod was the founder
of a great false religious system that began in ancient Babylon that has always opposed the truths of God. It’s time we face facts! This world is deceived, just as God prophesied it would be (Rev. 12:9).
Satan is the power behind this deception. Satan has successfully pawned off the old customs of the Babylonian mystery religion as being pleasing
to Jesus Christ." Why Christmas is (Not) So Important to God
By Carl Hilliker and Mark Jenkins December 2002 article in; The Trumpet

A Corruption Against Jehovah God "As the people increased in number,
the Way of Jehovah was corrupted and a principal figure in those days was Nimrod, the grandson of Ham described as a mighty hunter
before Jehovah. The word 'before' used in this sense means, 'totally antagonistic to Jehovah.' We celebrate Christmas on a date which coincides
with the birthday of Nimrod - the villainous king of ancient Babylon."
-The Ensign Trust VOLUME I No.2 - JUNE 1999 'NARROW IS THE WAY' By Harry Lancaster

"Nimrod, who built Babel or Babylon, conceived a one world government model in rebellion against Jehovah-God and went about to establish a one world government in the land of Shinar (which is today known as Iraq) and institute a pagan worship system that rejected the Lord God Jehovah."
-- The Book; THE HISTORY OF HALLOWEEN The Nimrod - Druid Connection Pastor David L. Brown, Ph.D.© September 1998

"Not only has the original Babylonian religious system served as the source of all the world’s non-Christian religions, hut it has also infiltrated and corrupted Christendom to an alarming degree." --Babylon - Source of False Religion "Babylon, Mystery Religion" by Ralph Woodrow

"Nimrod was a great grandson of Noah. Nimrod became a "mighty tyrant in the face of Jehovah." Much of the Babylonian worship was carried on through
mysterious symbols - thus the "Mystery" religion. This system of idolatry spread from Babylon to the nations, for it was from this location that men were scattered over the face of the earth (Gen. 11:9). As they went from Babylon, they took their occult worship and its various mystery symbols with them." --Babylon - Source of False Religion "Babylon, Mystery Religion" by Ralph Woodrow

Nimrod and - His Mother - Semiramis were the -- "MODELS" --
after which Satan Fashioned all other False gods and goddesses

"Thus from Babylon emerged the entire complex of human "religion". the various gods and goddesses of Rome, Greece, India, Egypt, and other nations can be identified with corresponding gods from Babel."
--Babylon - Source of False Religion "Babylon, Mystery Religion" by Ralph Woodrow

Here - Below - is a partial list of some gods that were fashioned after Nimrod -
according to Secular Scholars -

Christendom is Tied to False gods

Christendom will not admit, that by compromising with the pagans of
the world when adopting December 25th as Christ's birthday - they have
tied themselves into honoring all the pagan gods of the world.

How so ?

Almost all the pagan gods - who are nothing more than "Nimrod" reincarnated, all claim December 25th as their birthday. The list is exhaustive.

Many False Gods - Whose Birthday was "December 25" Fashioned After "NIMROD"

"December 25th - not only was Mithra, the sun-god of Mithraism, said to be born at this time of the year, but Osiris, Horus, Hercules, Bacchus, Adonis, Jupiter, Tammuz, and other sun-gods were also supposedly born at what is today called the "Christmas" season, the winter solstice! - Doane, p.474;
- "The Two Babylons; Alexander Hislop, p.93.

"The "winter solstice (December) was the time at which all the
sun-gods "from Osiris to Jupiter" and Mithra had celebrated
their (birthdays) - the celebration being adorned with
the pine tree of Adonis, the holly of Saturn, and the
mistletoe (of the pagan Druids).....tapers(candles) represented
the kindling of the newborn sun-god's fire..."
-Man and His Gods, p.201.

"Subtly...the old gods had entered their churches...
And they live still in the festivals of Christianity."
-(Testament: The Bible and History,
Romer, 1988, pp. 230-31)

In Sharp Contrast to Jesus

And here we have Jesus Christ who was born in a warm month when the
flocks were still outdoors at night - as ample proof that a compromise has been
made. December 25th was celebrated by the pagans in Christ's day, but
he and his early followers would have NO PART of it.
"It is evident that Jesus was NOT born during the middle of winter,
for at the time of his birth, the shepherds were living out in the fields
with their flocks. As the bible says: 'There were in the same country
shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night"
(Luke 2:8). As is well known, the shepherds in Palestine do NOT
"abide in the fields" during the winter season because of the extreme,
cold temperatures. The shepherds always bring their flocks in
from the mountain slopes and fields no later than October 15th! "
- Mede's Works, 1679. Discourse xlvii

Christ's First Followers -
REFUSED to Celebrate December 25th

"On your day of gladness, we [Christians] neither cover
our doorposts with wreaths, nor intrude upon the day with lamps.
At the call of public festivity, you consider it a proper thing
to decorate your house like some new brothel.
We are accused of a lower sacrilege because
we do not celebrate along with you the holidays ..."
- (Tertullian, (A.D. 155-220), 2001, p. 1176).
(quoted by David Bercot, A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs,
1998, p. 342).

"The pagan Romans clad their doorposts with green and branching
laurels...In the Saturnalia...Presents come and go...There
and Banquets...yet Christians should have no acquaintance with
the festivals of the pagans."
- Tertullian, (A.D. 155-220),
quoted by David Bercot,
A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs, 1998, p. 342).

"In the days of Christ, December 25th
was sacred to the pagan Romans..."
-The Xmas Story Part 4
"Heathen Holidays" by Denise Snodgrass

"Familiar to early Christians was the Saturnalia,
an ancient Roman festival celebrated during the
last days of December in honour of Saturn, the god
of agriculture. The Saturnalia...was diametrically
opposed to the teachings of Christ."
- Hidden Truths About Christmas
UCG; Australia

"To the pagans, the Saturnalia was fun.
To the Christians, the Saturnalia was an
abomination in homage to a disreputable god
who had no existence anyway."
-4,000 Years of Christmas:
A Gift from the Ages (1997)
Earl Count

"At the time of persecution,
Christians were detected
by NOT decorating their houses
at the Saturnalia. The ancient Christians
were puritanically jealous of anything that
might seem like coqueting with idolatry. "

"Gift Giving - during the Roman festival of Saturnalia,
gifts were given as good luck emblems and houses were
decorated with greenery. The early Christians, however,
frowned on this pagan ritual, and wouldn't have any part of it."
- Christmas Traditions & Trivia
1999 HFCWillcox

"Faithful men of God who knew and loved
the Scriptures of truth fought against
the mingling of paganism with the name of Christ.
They were valiant in opposing the entry of
Christmas and its festivals among the believers."
-The Truth about CHRISTMAS
Flee from Idolatry
by R. F. Becker

"The early Christians discouraged the use of
evergreen decorations in Christian homes and
assemblies, because their display had long been
associated with heathen festivals."
-Campbell ; The Story of Christmas
But how quick Christendom was - to jump in bed with paganism.

No wonder she is called a whore.

"Babylon" - The Great

Jumping in Bed with Paganism

Spiritual Adultery / Spiritual Fornication

"Christianity has jumped in bed with paganism!"
-The Surprising Origin of CHRISTMAS!
William F. Dankenbring and John D. Keyser

"The wicked apostate Church fornicated spiritually
with the heathen, pagan religions of the world,
and "ADOPTED" the date of December 25th
as the "birth-day" of Jesus the Messiah,
who was born nowhere NEAR that time of year!"
-The Surprising Origin of CHRISTMAS!
William F. Dankenbring and John D. Keyser

"Christmas...was not instituted by Christ
or the apostles, nor by Bible authority.
It was picked up afterward from paganism.”
-Encyclopedia Britannica, 1946 edition

"...the whoredoms of all perverted Christian
religionists are still in essence the same old harlotry
which first found place and embodiment on the banks of
the Euphrates. It is the same old Babylon, and her harlot
daughters, bearing rule or kingdom upon the dominions of
the earth, and intoxicating the inhabitants thereof
out of the wine of her fornication. True religion and
an uncorrupted Church have never suited the
representatives of power, or pleased them long."
Excerpt from 'The Apocalypse' by J. A. Seiss

"The wine of old Babylon's fornication was a debauching
system of idol worship and carnal self-exaltation, over
and against the revelations and institutes of Jehovah.
It was already bottled and labelled before the first
dispersion (Confusion of Tongues at the Tower of Babel).
It went with that dispersion into every country and nation
under heaven. As a matter of fact, we find it to this day
among all the nations of the earth, affecting and controlling
their thinking, their policies, their faith, and their worship.
Not less than two-thirds of the population of the earth
at this hour are Pagan idolaters, drivelling under the same
old intoxication which came forth from Nimrod and Babylon."
Excerpt from 'The Apocalypse' by J. A. Seiss

"When the early church departed from God
and imbibed pagan errors, she became Babylon.."
- the International Sabbath School Quarterly,
Feb. 29, 1896

"It was by departure from the LORD,
and alliance with the heathen
that became a harlot."
- The Great Controversy, page 382.

In 1851, James White wrote :
'The woman, which is the great city, called Babylon,
symbolizes the fallen apostate churches'.... "



RE: Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicans for 2007--Judicial Watch

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From: Nathaniel C
Date: Dec 26, 2007 2:21 AM

4/10 of them are running for President. LOL
Judicial Watch Announces List of Washington’s “Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians” for 2007

Washington, DC –Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, today released its 2007 list of Washington’s “Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians.” The list, in alphabetical order, includes:

1. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY): In addition to her long and sordid ethics record, Senator Hillary Clinton took a lot of heat in 2007 – and rightly so – for blocking the release her official White House records. Many suspect these records contain a treasure trove of information related to her role in a number of serious Clinton-era scandals. Moreover, in March 2007, Judicial Watch filed an ethics complaint against Senator Clinton for filing false financial disclosure forms with the U.S. Senate (again). And Hillary’s top campaign contributor, Norman Hsu, was exposed as a felon and a fugitive from justice in 2007. Hsu pleaded guilt to one count of grand theft for defrauding investors as part of a multi-million dollar Ponzi scheme.

2. Rep. John Conyers (D-MI): Conyers reportedly repeatedly violated the law and House ethics rules, forcing his staff to serve as his personal servants, babysitters, valets and campaign workers while on the government payroll. While the House Ethics Committee investigated these allegations in 2006, and substantiated a number of the accusations against Conyers, the committee blamed the staff and required additional administrative record-keeping and employee training. Judicial Watch obtained documentation in 2007 from a former Conyers staffer that sheds new light on the activities and conduct on the part of the Michigan congressman, which appear to be at a minimum inappropriate and likely unlawful. Judicial Watch called on the Attorney General in 2007 to investigate the matter.

3. Senator Larry Craig (R-ID): In one of the most shocking scandals of 2007, Senator Craig was caught by police attempting to solicit sex in a Minneapolis International Airport men’s bathroom during the summer. Senator Craig reportedly “sent signals” to a police officer in an adjacent stall that he wanted to engage in sexual activity. When the police officer showed Craig his police identification under the bathroom stall divider and pointed toward the exit, the senator reportedly exclaimed 'No!'” When asked to produce identification, Craig presented police his U.S. Senate business card and said, “What do you think of that?” The power play didn’t work. Craig was arrested, charged and entered a guilty plea. Despite enormous pressure from his Republican colleagues to resign from the Senate, Craig refused.

4. Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA): As a member of the Senate Appropriations Committee's subcommittee on military construction, Feinstein reviewed military construction government contracts, some of which were ultimately awarded to URS Corporation and Perini, companies then owned by Feinstein's husband, Richard Blum. While the Pentagon ultimately awards military contracts, there is a reason for the review process. The Senate's subcommittee on Military Construction's approval carries weight. Sen. Feinstein, therefore, likely had influence over the decision making process. Senator Feinstein also attempted to undermine ethics reform in 2007, arguing in favor of a perk that allows members of Congress to book multiple airline flights and then cancel them without financial penalty. Judicial Watch’s investigation into this matter is ongoing.

5. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R-NY): Giuliani came under fire in late 2007 after it was discovered the former New York mayor’s office “billed obscure city agencies for tens of thousands of dollars in security expenses amassed during the time when he was beginning an extramarital relationship with future wife Judith Nathan in the Hamptons…” ABC News also reported that Giuliani provided Nathan with a police vehicle and a city driver at taxpayer expense. All of this news came on the heels of the federal indictment on corruption charges of Giuliani’s former Police Chief and business partner Bernard Kerik, who pleaded guilty in 2006 to accepting a $165,000 bribe in the form of renovations to his Bronx apartment from a construction company attempting to land city contracts.

6. Governor Mike Huckabee (R-AR): Governor Huckabee enjoyed a meteoric rise in the polls in December 2007, which prompted a more thorough review of his ethics record. According to The Associated Press: “[Huckabee’s] career has also been colored by 14 ethics complaints and a volley of questions about his integrity, ranging from his management of campaign cash to his use of a nonprofit organization to subsidize his income to his destruction of state computer files on his way out of the governor’s office.” And what was Governor Huckabee’s response to these ethics allegations? Rather than cooperating with investigators, Huckabee sued the state ethics commission twice and attempted to shut the ethics process down.

7. I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby: Libby, former Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, was sentenced to 30 months in prison and fined $250,000 for lying and obstructing the Valerie Plame CIA leak investigation. Libby was found guilty of four felonies -- two counts of perjury, one count of making false statements to the FBI and one count of obstructing justice – all serious crimes. Unfortunately, Libby was largely let off the hook. In an appalling lack of judgment, President Bush issued “Executive Clemency” to Libby and commuted the sentence.

8. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL): A “Dishonorable Mention” last year, Senator Obama moves onto the “ten most wanted” list in 2007. In 2006, it was discovered that Obama was involved in a suspicious real estate deal with an indicted political fundraiser, Antoin “Tony” Rezko. In 2007, more reports surfaced of deeper and suspicious business and political connections It was reported that just two months after he joined the Senate, Obama purchased $50,000 worth of stock in speculative companies whose major investors were his biggest campaign contributors. One of the companies was a biotech concern that benefited from legislation Obama pushed just two weeks after the senator purchased $5,000 of the company’s shares. Obama was also nabbed conducting campaign business in his Senate office, a violation of federal law.

9. Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA): House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who promised a new era of ethics enforcement in the House of Representatives, snuck a $25 million gift to her husband, Paul Pelosi, in a $15 billion Water Resources Development Act recently passed by Congress. The pet project involved renovating ports in Speaker Pelosi's home base of San Francisco. Pelosi just happens to own apartment buildings near the areas targeted for improvement, and will almost certainly experience a significant boost in property value as a result of Pelosi's earmark. Earlier in the year, Pelosi found herself in hot water for demanding access to a luxury Air Force jet to ferry the Speaker and her entourage back and forth from San Francisco non-stop, in unprecedented request which was wisely rejected by the Pentagon. And under Pelosi’s leadership, the House ethics process remains essentially shut down – which protects members in both parties from accountability.

10. Senator Harry Reid (D-NV): Over the last few years, Reid has been embroiled in a series of scandals that cast serious doubt on his credibility as a self-professed champion of government ethics, and 2007 was no different. According to The Los Angeles Times, over the last four years, Reid has used his influence in Washington to help a developer, Havey Whittemore, clear obstacles for a profitable real estate deal. As the project advanced, the Times reported, “Reid received tens of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from Whittemore.” Whittemore also hired one of Reid’s sons (Leif) as his personal lawyer and then promptly handed the junior Reid the responsibility of negotiating the real estate deal with federal officials. Leif Reid even called his father’s office to talk about how to obtain the proper EPA permits, a clear conflict of interest.

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RE: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

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From: The Man Common
Date: Dec 26, 2007 10:42 AM

Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

By Kathryn A. Graham

Go To Original

And So It Begins

In an incredible irony, the very people that the United States have most oppressed throughout our history may hold the key to freedom for all of us.

Few Americans remember the siege at Wounded Knee in the mid-1970s, but perhaps they should. Members of the AIM, or the American Indian Movement, occupied parts of Pine Ridge in protest over the brutal killings of two of their own, the disgustingly mild prosecutions for those murders, and the beating of the mother of one of those two when she attempted to seek justice from the U.S. government. The AIM were seeking their rights under U.S. law and for the U.S. government to honor treaties with the American Indian that had been ignored for more than a century. It was a lawful - and a peaceful until attacked - protest.

In response, the FBI fired almost 200,000 rounds at the protesters (the protesters did fire weapons in their own defense, but only over their attackers' heads) in an illegal show of force that betrayed every ideal of real freedom. The siege at Wounded Knee lasted 71 days. This was Waco decades before Waco, largely ignored by the U.S. population due to media indifference and the fact that the victims were not white Americans.

Later, the defense team for Russell Means and Dennis Banks was infiltrated by a government informant, which led to perjured testimony and a very angry judge who stated that the government was more interested in convictions than in justice. South Dakota Judge Nichols was quoted as saying, "It's hard for me to believe that the FBI, which I have revered for so long, has stooped so low," and dismissed all charges against the defendants.

Apparently, all those years ago, at least a portion of our justice system still operated as it was designed to do.

Leonard Peltier was not so lucky. He was tried in North Dakota, and was sentenced to two consecutive life sentences in prison. He remains there today, even though evidence recovered after the siege clearly showed that the two FBI deaths were attributable to friendly fire. During his years in prison, through his art and letters, Peltier has continued to work for oppressed people everywhere.

Russell Means has remained free, and he has not been idle in the intervening decades. A committed libertarian, he has written several books, run for office on the Libertarian ticket, and continued to pursue a film career that has made him a household face and name. Apart from that, he has bided his time, waiting for just the right moment in history.

That moment has come. In September of this year, the United Nations passed a non-binding Resolution on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. Naturally, Canada, the United States and Australia refused to sign, but this resolution paved the way for a move that has been waiting in the wings, so to speak, since the 1970s.

On Wednesday of this week, Russell Means led a delegation of the Lakota Sioux people to the U.S. State Department and the embassies of Bolivia, Chile, South Africa and Venezuela, declaring their secession from the United States of America.

Means stated, "We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us." The lands of the Lakota Sioux encompass portions of Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming and Montana. In the coming weeks, they will take their diplomatic mission overseas to seek further support.

Means also stated that anyone willing to renounce their U.S. citizenship would live on Lakota land tax free, and that the Lakota would issue their own passports and driving licenses. Since a large group of libertarians have recently moved to Wyoming, this opens up some interesting possibilities for a free society growing up in our midst.

The coming road will not be an easy one. I cannot see the U.S. neo-conservatives leaving this alone. I imagine that there will be another bloody and vicious siege taking place on Lakota land, but I also believe that Means has timed his move correctly. If this happens as I fear it will, the neo-conservatives will be the clear authors of their own destruction. The American people have had enough!

You go, Russell!! You are the bravest and best of us, and the sanest and best of America stands with you in the trials you will face over the coming months and years.

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RE: Senior citizens forced back to work to pay property taxes

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From: § Lori §
Date: Dec 26, 2007 10:52 AM

From: Vadershine
Date: Dec 26, 2007 9:33 AM

Evidence we have much to do in our fight for 'true' freedom and sovereignty.

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From: SafetyJoe [Ron Paul 2008]
Date: Dec 25, 2007 10:19 PM

Senior citizens forced back to work to pay property taxes

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From: Nathaniel C
Date: Dec 26, 2007 1:09 AM

This is truly disgusting. Seniors have to go back to work so they can pay property taxes. Does anyone see something wrong with this? We are tax slaves of the government--no better than medieval serfs.

Plan Would Let Seniors Work to Pay Taxes
Tuesday December 25, 1:38 pm ET
By Jim Fitzgerald, Associated Press Writer
NY Town Wants to Start Program to Let Senior Citizens Work Off Property Taxes, for $7 an Hour

GREENBURGH, N.Y. (AP) -- Audrey Davison lives alone, gets a $620 Social Security check each month and worries about the sharply rising taxes on her four-bedroom house. Davison, 76, raised her family there and after 43 years, she really doesn't want to leave Greenburgh.

Greenburgh doesn't want her to leave, either.

The town is pushing a program that would let seniors work part-time, for $7 an hour, to help pay off some of their property taxes.

"People shouldn't have to sell their house, move away to a place with less taxes, leave behind their family and friends," said Town Supervisor Paul Feiner.

He envisions retired doctors mentoring schoolchildren, retired accountants helping with the town's finances, retired lawyers offering their services for a discount. But there are plenty of less-skilled jobs that need doing, he said.

"It's not like we're going to see grandma running the snowplow," he said. "There are lots of things people can do for the town and it wouldn't cost us that much to pay them."

The proposal has caused a stir in Greenburgh, a town of 90,000 in Westchester County, which has the nation's third-highest homeowner property taxes. The plan would be unusual if not unique in New York, but similar programs are considered successes in Colorado, Massachusetts, South Carolina and elsewhere.

Davison, who suffers from arthritis and sciatica and needs a walker to get around on her bad days, said she pays about $12,000 a year in property taxes -- perhaps $2,000 to the town -- and has already taken out a reverse mortgage to pay her bills.

Talking to Feiner last week at the town senior center, she said, "I would work as long as it was a job where I could sit."

"You could be a receptionist!" Feiner said. "You could greet people right here, when they come in."

"That I would love," Davison said.

Scott Parkin, spokesman for the National Council on Aging, said the program sounded interesting, as long as it wasn't limited to menial work. "It's certainly in line with what we stand for, keeping seniors involved in work or volunteering as a part of healthy aging," he said.

Boulder County, Colo., pioneered a tax workoff program in 1986 for residents over 60 and now has about 250 applicants for the fewer than 100 openings, said spokeswoman Barbara Halpin. The work done by the seniors includes landscaping, gathering climate data, clipping newspapers and staffing the courthouse information booth.

"Taxes aren't that high out here, so even at $7 an hour people can burn off their county taxes pretty quickly," Halpin said. She added that many stay in the program as volunteers after paying off their taxes.

In Concord, Mass., Maria Casey of the personnel department said about 10 seniors get $8.50 an hour to work at research, data entry and groundskeeping. The program, started in 1999, "allows seniors to be able to work and be involved in the community, and the town benefits by their work," she said.

Feiner is suggesting creating about 25 slots for seniors and letting them work off $500 or so a year. His proposal faces some obstacles. If the wages earned are to be tax-free and directly credited to the property tax bill, the state Legislature would have to approve. In addition, unions would have to be convinced that the program is no threat to their members' job security.

Feiner is hoping for at least a pilot program next year.

Eventually, he said, he would like to see the county and the local school districts adopt similar plans.

"If we got seniors working for the schools, there might be a more intergenerational feeling there," he said. "It might be easier to pass the school budgets."

Janet Goodman, a retired teacher and travel agent who was leading a knitting class at a Greenburgh community center, said paying the bills at her town house in Hartsdale, one of Greenburgh's seven villages, is "a constant struggle." She said she would gladly take part in a tax workoff program "as long as the work is interesting."

"You have to be creative," she said.

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From: Will To Power
Date: Dec 26, 2007 1:11 AM


CFR scum The Real Axis of EVIL

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RE: The holy Ghost on this day.-Video

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From: Stop demonic attacks!
Date: Dec 25, 2007 5:34 AM

I do not agree fully with the person who posted the bulletin that "If you are celebrating Christ-Mass you do not have YHVH' Spirit! ". Because MANY young babes in Yeshua are Ignorant of this holiday.. as was a I for the first 2 years after I was born again. I do agree with the statement though for those who come to know the truth and still celebrate this day. What is the difinition of celebrating xmas.... Thats a good question let the Spirit guide you.
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From: Church Fell Away
Date: Dec 24, 2007 6:52 PM

If you are celebrating Christ-Mass you do not have YHVH' Spirit!



RE: FEMA Death Camps in US (1,000,000 family sized coffins)

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From: Pamela's Protest
Date: Dec 25, 2007 2:50 AM

FEMA Death Camps in US (1,000,000 family sized coffins)
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From: *RC_REVOLUTION [resistance] -RONPAUL2008-
Date: Dec 24, 2007 11:42 PM

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