Friday, June 08, 2007

RE: Refuting Christian Fundamentalist Claims

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From: Subversionary
Date: Jun 8, 2007 12:29 PM


"Real" Christians have no enemies other then HIERARCHY and legislating morality.

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From: Patriots Speak Out ®©™
Date: Jun 8, 2007 11:22 AM


Please read all the way through before feeling any outrage if you are from either group. I think the last paragraph in this article sums it all up. Because we know that there are these types in all religions, all be it small percentages.

~IggyD

Here are a few examples of our home grown Terrorists:

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/04/30

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p02s01-usju.html



OpEdNews

Original Content at http://www.opednews.com/articles


June 8, 2007

Refuting Christian Fundamentalist Claims that Muslims Can't Be Good Americans

By Dennis Diehl

A Fundamentalist Christian writer asks..

"Can a good Muslim be a good American?" However, in doing so, he sets himself up for a fall.

"Consider the following:"

Christian Fundamentalists need consider the following as well.

1. "Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia."

And of the Christian Fundamentalist...Theologically- NO Because his allegiance is to God, the Sun God of Egypt. This is why God is Most High (At Noon), Jesus can be seen as an archetype Son of the Sun God and the Gospels are the account of a one year trip of the Sun Jesus through the signs of the Zodiac. The origin all gods in the human psyche is the SUN and all that it does for humans. In Revelation, Jesus is also called the "son of the morning star," which of course is the SUN, or the Planet Venus. Don't sweat Allah the moon god.

2. "Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)"

And of the Christian Fundamentalist...Religiously- NO Because "there is no other name under heaven, (Jesus) by which a man can be saved. There is one true Christian Church and whoever believes on the name of the Lord..Jesus Christ, shall be saved, while others are condemned. Fundamentalist Christians do NOT accept any other religious beliefs as valid to theirs, so no difference here.

3. "Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran)."

And of the American Fundamentalist...Scripturally NO because his allegiance is to the Ten Pillars of Christianity. There is nothing in America that says you have to be a Bible believing Christian to be a true American. It is freedom OF religion here...all religions. If Fundamentalists have their way, we might all want to amend the Bill of Rights to say "freedom FROM religion."

4. "Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day."

And of the American Fundamentalist...Geographically No because his mental allegiance is to Jerusalem, Israel and the Holy Land at least twice a week, about which they talk all the time as if they have ever been there, know the real history of, or think they would be welcome. Millions of Christian Americans have a soft spot for Rome too...

5. "Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews."

And of the Christian Fundamentalist...Socially NO because his allegiance to Christianity forbids him to make friends with "the world," including not being "unequally yoked with unbelievers."

6. "Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan."

And of the Christian Fundamentalist...Politically No because he must submit to the ministry, ("obey those that have the rule over you, for they watch out for your souls"). Many Fundamentalist Christians teach and hope for the annihilation of everyone outside of Israel. Christians often attribute anything against them as of the Great Satan. Paul cursed anyone who did not believe his true gospel and called the people of Crete, liars. Jesus is said to have said the Pharisees were "of your Father the Devil." Name calling envoking the name of Satan to define the enemy is a fundamentalist art form. It's what you do when you are afraid of the unknown.

7. "Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34)."

And of the Christian Fundamentalist...Domestically no because a fundamentalist Christian is instructed to marry only one which is his property, but cannot talk in church and can only ask her husband bible questions at home. A Christian believes if you "beat (spank)a child with a rod, it won't kill him." Fundamentalist Christian women are to keep silence in the church, obey their husbands as unto the Lord, and call him "Lord" as did Sarah (all in NT). They are to give him sex as a part of her duty and submit.

8. "Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt."

And of the Christian Fundamentalist...Intellectually no, because he can't accept that the American Constitution was NOT founded on Biblical law or we'd all be stoning each other. This was called the Dark Ages in the European past. I would not generally use the word "intellecual" or any form thereof in the context of Christian Fundamentalism.

9. "Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist."

And of the Christian Fundamentalists...Philosophically no because Christianity, Jesus and the Bible do not allow freedom of religion if you take the Old and New Testaments as the only way to be, which they do. Fundamentalists look to the commands of "God" in the Old Testament, to kill unbelievers, just as much as they think Islamics do in reading the Koran. Fundamentalist would only tolerate Christian values, which can be atrocious at times, and morality, which can be appalling. True Democracy and Biblical Christianity cannot co exist either. Someone would insist on someone else losing their rights to free thought. Christian Fundamentalism is a good example of the mess you get when you mix Old Testament politics with New Testament sentiments, thinking it takes both to make up a proper Christian behavior. It's old wine in new wineskins...boom!

10. "Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic."

And of the Christian Fundamentalist...Every Christian Fundamentalist government is either dictatorial or autocratic too. Replacing Taliban rule with "God's law" is swapping oranges for oranges.

11. "Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names."

And of the Christian Fundamentalists...Spiritually no because the God and Jesus of the Book of Revelation drowns the world in blood, plagues, signs, trumpets, vials and slaughter. The Christian Jesus is until you make him mad. The mostly absent Father is angry, jealous, and is patterned after the war gods of paganism. The Fundamentalist Christian God is 'loving" only to the degree you obey and fall in line. The Jesus of the Gospels is NOT the same being in the book of Revelation. The prophetic Jesus comes back with a Rod of Iron to threaten and beat the poop out of those that don't "trust and obey for there is NO other way." And this no longer is any other way after that.

CONCLUSION: "Therefore after much study and deliberation.... perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish.... it's still the truth."

And of Christian Fundamentalists..Therefore after much study and deliberation..perhaps we should all be very suspicious of ALL, and I Mean ALLLLLLLL Christian Fundamentalists in this country. They obviously can't be both good Christians and Good Americans. They fail their own test.

Side note: Whoever actually came up with this ignorant and insane list of reasons why an Islamic cannot be a good American is deluded, ignorant, self absorbed, mistaken, misinformed and the reason we'll end up with nothing but a sanitation problem to fix and where will we be then? FunnyMentalism is not funny!

"If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future."

Actually if you find yourself in agreements with the above statements about why a Muslim cannot be a good American, you need to have your head examined and you will have to also conclude that neither can a good Christian fundamentalist be one.





Authors Bio:

Dennis Diehl is a former pastor of 26 years,  who outgrew the Literalism of Fundamentalism.  He writes about Pastoral and Church abuse and is available to speak on such topics or be helpful to any church suffering under abusive religion or pastors. 

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