RE: RE: RE: Truthers told not 2 back Ron Paul? OF COURSE NOT!!!
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From: ♥ Angel ♥ ™ ~For Truth~
Date: May 18, 2007 6:55 PM
Thanks:
BadGalSal
I can't understand why someone [Ma] has had to spell this out. Thanks for spelling it out, though ;)
Thanks Ma Justice
Ok, I don't know how to make this more clear.
1. We are not "stupid" for understanding politics, nor is anyone "stupid" for not understanding. Ignorance is perfectly curable;
2. People who believe in Truth, a real investingation into 9/11 and/or believe in other larger conspiracies such as the NWO are not in any way being asked to (a) not believe in what they do, or (b) not to support Dr. Paul;
3. NO ONE is suggesting that Truthers stop what they are doing as researchers or activists in any particular area; and
4. No one is being told to "shut up"
The responses below demonstrate a lack of understanding of how the political process works, as well as gross misinterpretations and misrepresentations of what was posted.
Dr. Paul voluntarily agreed to be on the Alex Jones show numerous times. This was a calculated decision on his part, no doubt. It serves two purposes - 1. To speak to those who have already taken the red pill and "woken up" to inform us of his position on issues, and 2. to let us know he exists, as he is not that high profile and many of us would never have heard of him otherwise.
Dr. Paul is a man of honor and integrity, and he values the Truth wherever it may lie. I cannot imagine he is not aware of the the ridiculousness of the government's assertion about 9/11.
In the real world of politics, while he can state the "taboo" truth about blowback of our foreign policy, he cannot (in the real world) state on a debate stage that 9/11 was an inside job. Does that make him a hypocrite or unfaithful to the Truth? No, of course not!
Why not? Because introducing the subject via previously publicized statements of intelligence analysts and the 9/11 Commission report has already (hopefully) caused many people to look into it. Think of it as an introduction to the Truth, using previously published government sources.
The reality is that most people cannot handle the all of the Truth in one dose; it is simply too large and too scary to process all at once, especially for brainwashed, fluoridated and bamboozled Americans. They automatically recoil in denial and outrage; he (or anyone) is immediately branded as a "kook" because it is easier than facing the Truth. Many will do this because they cannot bear to do otherwise. They would then vote against him no matter how good for the country he may be; they would hand the country over to anyone but him because of their misinformed preconceived notions they got from all the spin.
His simple truthful statement is already being furiously spun, although it is backfiring and can be used to his advantage for the moment but - if it continues and he is branded as the leader of 9/11 Truth or anti-NWO movements it will sink him.
Basically, he cannot go too far, too fast - that is the point we are making.
So, the real question is this:
Would you rather Dr Paul completely blow it by stating on the debate stage that 9/11 was an inside job and be ridiculed right out of the race? Or would you rather he goes as far as he can in the race, waking people up along the way?
The former is political suicide. The latter is the most logical and effective choice.
Politics is really, really ugly and dirty. Dr. Paul is obviously gaining support at a staggering rate because of his truthfulness and his Constitutional stance on issues. It is his Constitutional message that appeals to people across all artificial political boundaries; this is his greatest strength!! His opposition will use anything and everything against him, true or not. Since he is not bought and owned, they will redouble their efforts, whether what they say is true or not. Since so many people haven't yet taken the red pill and are still brainwashed and drinking fluoridated water, many won't bother to look into it once Dr. Paul is associated with conspiracy theories/theorists. That is the danger that was being stated below.
Again, no one is suggesting that any of you stop seeking the Truth, being active, or stop supporting Dr. Paul; no one is suggesting that anyone should apologize for being a Truther! Read it again.
What is being said, plainly and clearly is that Dr. Paul cannot be associated as the leader of the 9/11 Truth movement. It would be about as bad as a bunch of folks showing up at a Paul campaign rally wearing ET outfits. Voila! Instant marginalization - whether he was a member of the UFOlogy community or hates their guts, it wouldn't matter!
THIS IS POLITICS - this IS unfortunately how it works. We don't have to like it, admire it or anything of the sort, but we DO have to accept it. The system sucks, & a great many of the People are brainwashed -this is Reality and we have to work within Reality right now, even if we don't like it.
I know how desperate the situation is. I know and understand how much each of us wants others to wake up, how we want the administration and traitors to be held accountable, but such interpretations from our common sense statements is much like what Rudy did to Ron! Think about that for a minute.
Dr. Paul told the truth and he was attacked for it. His words were clear and plain and true, yet they were twisted around and misinterpreted and misrepresented.
That is exactly what some here are doing. It wasn't fair to Dr. Paul and it is not fair to Mr. Pepin or myself. Both of us have some experience in politics. Both of us are passing along truthful, common sense information and are being attacked, misinterpreted and misrepresented.
The truth is brutal sometimes, it is sometimes hard to face. But each of us here have done that already with much larger, uglier truths than this. C'mon, people.... we're all grown ups - and you CAN handle the truth.
I stand by my statements, those of Mr. Pepin, and the logic thereof.
Thanks to: melanie
But, I see this in a positive way. Ron Paul had been almost completely ignored by the media until this association with the Truth Movement. Now Ron Paul is getting the attention he needs and instead of dwelling on the Truth Movement he is also getting his campaign message across. At the same time the Truth Movement is getting attention in the mainstream media, and we know how curiosity killed the cat?!? (Satisfaction brought him back!) Think of how many people are now aware that there is actually a 9-11 Truth Movement and that it isn't regulated to the realm of 'Urban Legend' type of thing.
Will guilt by association hurt Ron Paul? If people are stupid enough to judge a person by one thing, then yes. If people are wise enough to view the whole, then no. I think people are more willing to listen to his message because he is against the war, he is for abolishing the income tax, and for actually doing something positive for this country. I'd be more worried about 'guilt by association' if I were Hillary 'You Know Me By My Husbands Blow-Job Fiasco' Clinton, or Mr. Rudy 'Look At The Blood On My Hands' Guliani.
I will not apologize for my involvement in the Truth Movement as a Ron Paul supporter, just as I will not apologize for my involvement in social justice issues, N.A.R.F. , my support of the Humane Society or my activities in the world of art.
Telling Truthers to not associate with Ron Paul is like telling us we are not allowed to vote.
Whats more un-American than that?
melanie
(you can agree or disagree, I am speaking for myself, and hope everyone understands.)
&: Neo♥ ONLY THE TRUTH CAN SET YOU FREE!!
Soooo what all these people below are saying is that since stupid cunt whores like Malkin who get airtime on Faux news, calling 9/11 Truth a 'virus' we cant talk about the truth of 9/11 when it comes to Ron Paul? We'll kill his campaign if we speak the truth, so we should just keep our big fucking mouths shut???
Soooo just shut up and sit back, yadda yadda and hope we can slip one past the moron fucking sheeple?
FUCK THAT SHIT, sorry but the TRUTH will be heard even if lying WHORES like MICHELLE MALKIN get airtime and sheeple believe her, so be it, fuck em if they can't wake up...
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH
I WILL NEVER BE A DENIER OF THE TRUTH IN ANY SETTING OR CIRCUMSTANCE!!!
~Neo
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From: Ma Justice
Date: May 18, 2007 12:54 PM
Agreed. For the time being, Ron Paul needs to run as himself and his Constitutional stance as a Republican candidate - nothing more, nothing less.
Nothing will play into the hands of the NWO better than associating Ron Paul with 911 Truth or any conspiracy theories - it will only give them the fodder they desire and serve to discredit his wonderful voting record and stance on other issues.
Let's help him, not help them.
Words of wisdom from: Republican Liberty Caucus Of Texas
I have feared the day this would come. If you really care about Ron Paul's message of freedom and you want Ron Paul to be our next President you need to be an adult and listen to what I'm about to say, I warn you it’s going to make a lot of people mad.
I have personally been involved in underdog campaigns before. I know very well what tactics are used to destroy an opposing campaign. As we know now the exchange with Giuliani didn't hurt Ron Paul it backfired on Fox and Rudy. Dr.Paul is getting mainstream press. They are starting to let him speak. But that will come to a grinding halt, if the 9/11 Truth movement is successfully associated with Ron Paul and he's considered the leader of it. The ploy is called "Marginalization". Brand a candidate a crazy loon and the mainstream of America will refuse to listen to a word he says. It’s the ultimate political poison pill. The Political cold hard reality is that Ron Paul has to win the Republican Primary or he will not be President. And if that is not possible, he can still spread his message of freedom for a long time, but only if people perceive him to be sane and credible.
Fact : Ron Paul was elected as a Republican and in his heart he is a Republican that loves the constitution. Had he run as any other third party candidate, we would not be talking about him and no national press for a pro-liberty candidate. Ron Paul made it very clear, he’s not going run as a third party candidate or an independent. This is our one and only shot, period.
Fact: Ron Paul was asked directly by a close friend who is a member of the RLC, about the 9/11 Truth Movement while they were riding around in New Hampshire campaigning.
He said “ Drones hitting the Pentagon, and all that stuff is silly”
However, I don't accept the official report. There
were a lot of government people trying to cover up
their own mistakes and incompetence. There are a
lot of questions remaining to be answered and they
should be answered, not ignored."
Mistakes and incompetence are worlds apart form George Bush planned 9/11
Here’s how you will become Ron Paul’s worst enemy and a tool for the Corp Media. to “Marginalize” him:
If you show up at any Ron Paul rallies with your 9/11 was an inside job signs you will become the focus of the media not Ron Paul. And they will attempt “guilt by association” just like the woman in the video did. It’s wrong and unfair but we know that people are willing to lie to stop Ron Paul.
If you call mainstream talk shows and you are talking about 9/11 was an inside job, please do not mention Ron Paul, again guilt by association.
The best hope for any hidden truths to be found is Ron Paul, and if he gets elected and the investigation finds that you were proven right, I will apologize and I will paint a 9/11 was an inside job sign and join you.
Until then we have a primary to win please be mature about this and accept political reality.
If you decide to repost this, please do not edit out who this is from or any of the text and please include the video it's an important part of the bulletin. There is no disclaimer, this is the position of RLC Texas
Phil Pepin
RLC Director Bexar County
Webmaster RLC Texas MySpaceFoxNews Hit Piece Ron Paul, Alex Jones and 9/11 Truth
From: ♥ Angel ♥ ™ ~For Truth~
Date: May 18, 2007 6:55 PM
Thanks:
BadGalSal
I can't understand why someone [Ma] has had to spell this out. Thanks for spelling it out, though ;)
Thanks Ma Justice
Ok, I don't know how to make this more clear.
1. We are not "stupid" for understanding politics, nor is anyone "stupid" for not understanding. Ignorance is perfectly curable;
2. People who believe in Truth, a real investingation into 9/11 and/or believe in other larger conspiracies such as the NWO are not in any way being asked to (a) not believe in what they do, or (b) not to support Dr. Paul;
3. NO ONE is suggesting that Truthers stop what they are doing as researchers or activists in any particular area; and
4. No one is being told to "shut up"
The responses below demonstrate a lack of understanding of how the political process works, as well as gross misinterpretations and misrepresentations of what was posted.
Dr. Paul voluntarily agreed to be on the Alex Jones show numerous times. This was a calculated decision on his part, no doubt. It serves two purposes - 1. To speak to those who have already taken the red pill and "woken up" to inform us of his position on issues, and 2. to let us know he exists, as he is not that high profile and many of us would never have heard of him otherwise.
Dr. Paul is a man of honor and integrity, and he values the Truth wherever it may lie. I cannot imagine he is not aware of the the ridiculousness of the government's assertion about 9/11.
In the real world of politics, while he can state the "taboo" truth about blowback of our foreign policy, he cannot (in the real world) state on a debate stage that 9/11 was an inside job. Does that make him a hypocrite or unfaithful to the Truth? No, of course not!
Why not? Because introducing the subject via previously publicized statements of intelligence analysts and the 9/11 Commission report has already (hopefully) caused many people to look into it. Think of it as an introduction to the Truth, using previously published government sources.
The reality is that most people cannot handle the all of the Truth in one dose; it is simply too large and too scary to process all at once, especially for brainwashed, fluoridated and bamboozled Americans. They automatically recoil in denial and outrage; he (or anyone) is immediately branded as a "kook" because it is easier than facing the Truth. Many will do this because they cannot bear to do otherwise. They would then vote against him no matter how good for the country he may be; they would hand the country over to anyone but him because of their misinformed preconceived notions they got from all the spin.
His simple truthful statement is already being furiously spun, although it is backfiring and can be used to his advantage for the moment but - if it continues and he is branded as the leader of 9/11 Truth or anti-NWO movements it will sink him.
Basically, he cannot go too far, too fast - that is the point we are making.
So, the real question is this:
Would you rather Dr Paul completely blow it by stating on the debate stage that 9/11 was an inside job and be ridiculed right out of the race? Or would you rather he goes as far as he can in the race, waking people up along the way?
The former is political suicide. The latter is the most logical and effective choice.
Politics is really, really ugly and dirty. Dr. Paul is obviously gaining support at a staggering rate because of his truthfulness and his Constitutional stance on issues. It is his Constitutional message that appeals to people across all artificial political boundaries; this is his greatest strength!! His opposition will use anything and everything against him, true or not. Since he is not bought and owned, they will redouble their efforts, whether what they say is true or not. Since so many people haven't yet taken the red pill and are still brainwashed and drinking fluoridated water, many won't bother to look into it once Dr. Paul is associated with conspiracy theories/theorists. That is the danger that was being stated below.
Again, no one is suggesting that any of you stop seeking the Truth, being active, or stop supporting Dr. Paul; no one is suggesting that anyone should apologize for being a Truther! Read it again.
What is being said, plainly and clearly is that Dr. Paul cannot be associated as the leader of the 9/11 Truth movement. It would be about as bad as a bunch of folks showing up at a Paul campaign rally wearing ET outfits. Voila! Instant marginalization - whether he was a member of the UFOlogy community or hates their guts, it wouldn't matter!
THIS IS POLITICS - this IS unfortunately how it works. We don't have to like it, admire it or anything of the sort, but we DO have to accept it. The system sucks, & a great many of the People are brainwashed -this is Reality and we have to work within Reality right now, even if we don't like it.
I know how desperate the situation is. I know and understand how much each of us wants others to wake up, how we want the administration and traitors to be held accountable, but such interpretations from our common sense statements is much like what Rudy did to Ron! Think about that for a minute.
Dr. Paul told the truth and he was attacked for it. His words were clear and plain and true, yet they were twisted around and misinterpreted and misrepresented.
That is exactly what some here are doing. It wasn't fair to Dr. Paul and it is not fair to Mr. Pepin or myself. Both of us have some experience in politics. Both of us are passing along truthful, common sense information and are being attacked, misinterpreted and misrepresented.
The truth is brutal sometimes, it is sometimes hard to face. But each of us here have done that already with much larger, uglier truths than this. C'mon, people.... we're all grown ups - and you CAN handle the truth.
I stand by my statements, those of Mr. Pepin, and the logic thereof.
Thanks to: melanie
But, I see this in a positive way. Ron Paul had been almost completely ignored by the media until this association with the Truth Movement. Now Ron Paul is getting the attention he needs and instead of dwelling on the Truth Movement he is also getting his campaign message across. At the same time the Truth Movement is getting attention in the mainstream media, and we know how curiosity killed the cat?!? (Satisfaction brought him back!) Think of how many people are now aware that there is actually a 9-11 Truth Movement and that it isn't regulated to the realm of 'Urban Legend' type of thing.
Will guilt by association hurt Ron Paul? If people are stupid enough to judge a person by one thing, then yes. If people are wise enough to view the whole, then no. I think people are more willing to listen to his message because he is against the war, he is for abolishing the income tax, and for actually doing something positive for this country. I'd be more worried about 'guilt by association' if I were Hillary 'You Know Me By My Husbands Blow-Job Fiasco' Clinton, or Mr. Rudy 'Look At The Blood On My Hands' Guliani.
I will not apologize for my involvement in the Truth Movement as a Ron Paul supporter, just as I will not apologize for my involvement in social justice issues, N.A.R.F. , my support of the Humane Society or my activities in the world of art.
Telling Truthers to not associate with Ron Paul is like telling us we are not allowed to vote.
Whats more un-American than that?
melanie
(you can agree or disagree, I am speaking for myself, and hope everyone understands.)
&: Neo♥ ONLY THE TRUTH CAN SET YOU FREE!!
Soooo what all these people below are saying is that since stupid cunt whores like Malkin who get airtime on Faux news, calling 9/11 Truth a 'virus' we cant talk about the truth of 9/11 when it comes to Ron Paul? We'll kill his campaign if we speak the truth, so we should just keep our big fucking mouths shut???
Soooo just shut up and sit back, yadda yadda and hope we can slip one past the moron fucking sheeple?
FUCK THAT SHIT, sorry but the TRUTH will be heard even if lying WHORES like MICHELLE MALKIN get airtime and sheeple believe her, so be it, fuck em if they can't wake up...
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH
I WILL NEVER BE A DENIER OF THE TRUTH IN ANY SETTING OR CIRCUMSTANCE!!!
~Neo
----------------- Bulletin Message -----------------
From: Ma Justice
Date: May 18, 2007 12:54 PM
Agreed. For the time being, Ron Paul needs to run as himself and his Constitutional stance as a Republican candidate - nothing more, nothing less.
Nothing will play into the hands of the NWO better than associating Ron Paul with 911 Truth or any conspiracy theories - it will only give them the fodder they desire and serve to discredit his wonderful voting record and stance on other issues.
Let's help him, not help them.
Words of wisdom from: Republican Liberty Caucus Of Texas
I have feared the day this would come. If you really care about Ron Paul's message of freedom and you want Ron Paul to be our next President you need to be an adult and listen to what I'm about to say, I warn you it’s going to make a lot of people mad.
I have personally been involved in underdog campaigns before. I know very well what tactics are used to destroy an opposing campaign. As we know now the exchange with Giuliani didn't hurt Ron Paul it backfired on Fox and Rudy. Dr.Paul is getting mainstream press. They are starting to let him speak. But that will come to a grinding halt, if the 9/11 Truth movement is successfully associated with Ron Paul and he's considered the leader of it. The ploy is called "Marginalization". Brand a candidate a crazy loon and the mainstream of America will refuse to listen to a word he says. It’s the ultimate political poison pill. The Political cold hard reality is that Ron Paul has to win the Republican Primary or he will not be President. And if that is not possible, he can still spread his message of freedom for a long time, but only if people perceive him to be sane and credible.
Fact : Ron Paul was elected as a Republican and in his heart he is a Republican that loves the constitution. Had he run as any other third party candidate, we would not be talking about him and no national press for a pro-liberty candidate. Ron Paul made it very clear, he’s not going run as a third party candidate or an independent. This is our one and only shot, period.
Fact: Ron Paul was asked directly by a close friend who is a member of the RLC, about the 9/11 Truth Movement while they were riding around in New Hampshire campaigning.
He said “ Drones hitting the Pentagon, and all that stuff is silly”
However, I don't accept the official report. There
were a lot of government people trying to cover up
their own mistakes and incompetence. There are a
lot of questions remaining to be answered and they
should be answered, not ignored."
Mistakes and incompetence are worlds apart form George Bush planned 9/11
Here’s how you will become Ron Paul’s worst enemy and a tool for the Corp Media. to “Marginalize” him:
If you show up at any Ron Paul rallies with your 9/11 was an inside job signs you will become the focus of the media not Ron Paul. And they will attempt “guilt by association” just like the woman in the video did. It’s wrong and unfair but we know that people are willing to lie to stop Ron Paul.
If you call mainstream talk shows and you are talking about 9/11 was an inside job, please do not mention Ron Paul, again guilt by association.
The best hope for any hidden truths to be found is Ron Paul, and if he gets elected and the investigation finds that you were proven right, I will apologize and I will paint a 9/11 was an inside job sign and join you.
Until then we have a primary to win please be mature about this and accept political reality.
If you decide to repost this, please do not edit out who this is from or any of the text and please include the video it's an important part of the bulletin. There is no disclaimer, this is the position of RLC Texas
Phil Pepin
RLC Director Bexar County
Webmaster RLC Texas MySpace
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